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Len

Len Report 6 Feb 2013 09:02

I have traced a Ancestor John Ogden through census and free bmd til his death in London 1909, but now I have hit a brick wall. I can not find any info for his Birth c1824 Yorkshire or his marriage to Susan Baldwin. Could anybody help please.

Regards

Len

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 6 Feb 2013 09:13

Is this your man in 1861?

Name: John Ogden
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Ogden
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Piece: 235
Folio: 21
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ogden 38
Susan Ogden 30
Henry Ogden 8
Eliza Ogden 6
Thomas Ogden 4
Fanny Ogden 1

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 6 Feb 2013 09:22

??????????????

name: John Ogden
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 47
relationship to head of household: Self
birthplace: Halifax, Yorkshire
record type: Household
registration district: Edmonton
sub-district: Edmonton
event parish: Edmonton
county: Middlesex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self John Ogden M 47 Halifax, Yorkshire
son Thomas Ogden M 14 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
daughter Eliza Ogden F 16 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
daughter Fanny Ogden F 11 Clerkenwell, Middlesex

Len

Len Report 6 Feb 2013 09:25

Many thanks, As I say it's his birth and marriage I can't seem to find.

Regards

Len

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 6 Feb 2013 09:28

As Susan's birth place is given as Hertfordshire and the family are living in Shoreditch I am guessing that if the couple did marry it would have been in the London area rather than in Yorkshire.

Len

Len Report 6 Feb 2013 09:29

yes could be

Len

Len Report 6 Feb 2013 09:34

Have just looked on freebmd, no record on search

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 6 Feb 2013 09:45

Presumably you obtained Susan's maiden name from the birth certificate of one of their children. Have you considered the possibility that she may have been married before her union with John Ogden? If so she may have married John under her previously married surname.

There is a John Ogden marriage in Greenwich in 1843. There is a Susan Harbett or Harlett on the same register page. I wonder.

As far as John;s birth is concerned your only hope of finding that is via parish records which might indicate a possible baptism. There is one in Halifax in 1834 and as I am sure that you are aware in many cases people were often baptised several years after their birth. Certainly worth a look.

safc

safc Report 6 Feb 2013 11:59

Marriages Mar 1863 (>99%)
1 male missing here

BALDWIN Susan Stepney 1c 835 xxxxx
EASTON Louisa Stepney 1c 835
FAIR John Wright Stepney 1c 835
PAYNE Elizabeth Stepney 1c 835
WELCH John Stepney 1c 835

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Feb 2013 12:18

the one mentioned by Jonesey

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Ogden
Name: John Ogden
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Susan Harbett
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Aug 1843
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Joseph Ogden

but he is a royal marine and his father a weaver
Spouse Father Name: Franklin Harbett
Register Type: Parish Register

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Feb 2013 12:58

not wanting to throw a spanner in the works
if this is Jon in 1891 he says he comes from Denholme ( near Bradford )
MOWL, George Head Widower M 55 1836 Carpenter & Joiner
London VIEW
MOWL, Jane C Daughter Single F 19 1872
Otago, New Zealand VIEW
MOWL, William T Son Single M 16 1875 Porter
Otago, New Zealand VIEW
OGDEN, John Lodger Widower M 67 1824 Carpenter
Denholme, Yorkshire VIEW

Piece: 199

Folio: 32

Page: 57

Registration District: Hackney

Civil Parish: Hackney

Municipal Borough:

Address: 24, Chippendale Street, Hackney

County: London


?????????

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about John Ogden
Name: John Ogden
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Baptism Date: 15 Aug 1824
Father's Name: John Ogden
Mother's Name: Hannah Ogden

maddie

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 6 Feb 2013 12:58

Susan Baldwin married John Wright Fair

Louisa Easton married John Welch

and there is no Elizabeth Payne married on the 15th

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 6 Feb 2013 13:04

That marriage is Spin and Bach and he is a Private Royal Marines.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Ogden
Name: John Ogden
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Susan Harbett
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Aug 1843
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Joseph Ogden
Spouse Father Name: Franklin Harbett
Register Type: Parish Register

Len

Len Report 7 Feb 2013 10:08

I was told by a elderly Aunt that John was Married to Susan Baldwin, but maybe she was wrong. I do know that John was born in Yorkshire c1824 and he was a carpenter as all my family were.

Len

Len Report 7 Feb 2013 11:15

My ancestor 99 percent sure my family come from Shoreditch / Hackney area

Name: John Ogden
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Ogden
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Piece: 235
Folio: 21
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ogden 38
Susan Ogden 30
Henry Ogden 8
Eliza Ogden 6
Thomas Ogden 4
Fanny Ogden 1

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 7 Feb 2013 13:43

Hi Len
You really do need one of the childrens birth cert. to find out mothers maiden name.

This seems to be Fanny's birth index


Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
OGDEN Fanny St. Saviour 1d 28


In the 1871 census John is a widowr----However I can't see a Susan Ogden death index between 1861--1871 for the right place !!. Can anyone else ?

Barbara x

Janet

Janet Report 7 Feb 2013 17:35

A Possibility
John Ogden
baptised 22 Feb 1824 Luddenden
Parents Thomas Ogden
Betty Ogden

or..

Also John Ogden
baptised 21 Mar 1824
Parents Thomas Ogden
Mary Ogden

Luddenden is a district of Halifax -jl

Janet

Janet Report 7 Feb 2013 17:51

Susan Baldwin married John Fair in 1863-jl ( to eliminate)

Len

Len Report 8 Feb 2013 09:14

Many thanks to you all for your help in this matter.

Regards
Len