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County Norfolk
Place Hethersett
Church St Remigeus Tr
RegisterNumber 697
DateOfBirth 04 May 1858
BaptismDate 04 Jul 1858
Forename Elizabeth
Sex -
FatherForename John
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname BREED
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Miller
Notes
FileNumber 7879

I'm sorry Kathleen but you are wrong.

You are relying only on the transcription. For facts...........look at the image.

The child is recorded as GRANDSON of JOHN BREED ...............nothing else.

I didn't post my comments without checking carefully...............I hope you didn't seriously imagine I'd posted willy-nilly without checking facts.

Frankly, your comment about looking at 1861 is a bit of a liberty, as I posted the transcription early in this thread, as info for others who may try to help you

And, if you read carefully what I wrote, I did not suggest that YOU had made any assumptions.

In reply to Reggie, I have a copy of the Ancestry census report for John Breed age 8 yr, from the 1861 census. If you perform the search under his name, estimated year of birth 1853. Relation(to head of house) grandson. Mother's name Ann Wright. Gender male, where born, Wendling, Norfolk, England, etc. The 1861 England census clearly stated MOTHER'S NAME : ANN WRIGHT. This appearing on the census has caused me confusion, but you are in error in stating the census doesn't give the mothers name, as in this instance it does. I made no assumption about this, and as it would appear Ann Wright,(maiden name Breed) was not the mother of John Bennington Breed, but his aunt, the addition of her name as his mother on the census has in fact caused some confusion.

I wonder who Betsy's mother was?

It couldn't have been Mary

Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
BLOMFIELD Robert Mitford 4b 515
BREED Mary Ann Mitford 4b 515

1861 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Blomfield
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Blomfield
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Little Fransham
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: East Dereham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 1242
Folio: 166
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Blomfield 29
Mary Ann Blomfield 26
Ann Elizabeth Blomfield 5
Frances Hannah Blomfield 3
Julia Blomfield 2
Clara Blomfield 8 Months

Tree on Ancestry has the parents of John Bennington Breed 1852 died in Leeds 1937, as William Bennington 1832-1890 and Mary Ann Breed 1835 - 1874.

Maryb.

There is nothing on the census return to say who the child's mother is.

The transcriber has made an assumption, which has proved to be erroneous.

Doing the maths would have shown Ann wasn't the mother of John Breed.

Never take for granted anything that you can't verify

And please reply on here.............

BTW..............the info safc posted wasn't actually a birth......it was a baptism

pm from kathleen
have asked her to reply on thread

Thank you for the information. This would appear to be the birth I'm failing to find. Where can I access this for myself? Some confusion has been caused because the census for 1861 shows John breed, and names his mother as Ann Wright, who was in fact Ann Harriet Breed, and the sister of the mother shown in your information.

1841 England Census about William Breed
Name: William Breed
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil parish: St James
Hundred: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: East Wymer
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 789
Book: 2
Folio: 40
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Breed 40
Ann Breed 15*********
William Breed 8
Mary Breed 6**********

Thanks safc.........

1851 England Census
Name: John Baud
[John Breed]
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Baud
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wendling
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: Dereham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 1825
Folio: 182
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Baud 50
Hannah Baud 56
William Baud 18
Mary Baud 15************************born Biggleswade, Beds.

County Norfolk
Place Mattishall Circuit
Church Weslyan Methodist
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 17 Jun 1852
BaptismDate 02 Jan 1853
Forename John Bennington
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname
MotherSurname BREED
Abode Wendling Norfolk
FatherOccupation
Notes Ceremony by Robert Eaglen No occupation given
FileNumber 17495


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1861 England Census
Name: John Breed
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Ann Wright
Gender: Male
Where born: Wendling, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Wendling
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: East Dereham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1242
Folio: 184
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Breed 60
Hannah Breed 66
Ann Wright 34*********Widow
Sarah Wright 16
William Wright 13
Hannah Wright 11
John Breed 8
Betsy Breed 2
Robert Wright 8

All the children are recorded as grandchildren of John Breed snr...................but there is no way of knowing from the census record who the mother of the Breed children actually was.

If, as is probable, Robert Wright was Ann's child, it's unlikely that John Breed was..............in view of their respective ages...

Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
WRIGHT Robert Mitford 4b 288

Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
Breed Anne Harriet Mitford 13 355
WRIGHT Robt Mitford 13 355

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Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Bennington John Breed Mitford 4b 251

Try NorfolkFHS .........or the County Records Office, if you have not already done so.

Norfolk parish records are not very well represented on line

However, I doubt that you will learn anything about his father...........

It is always worth remembering that although civil registration began in England in 1837 it was not until 1874 that none registration of a birth was punishable. Consequently many births went unregistered.

I am trying to find a record of the birth of John Breed, shown in the 1861 census as age 8 years, son of Ann Wright (maiden name Ann Harriet Breed) born Wendling, Norfolk. This would place his birth as about 1853 but so far I have totally failed to find records of his birth or baptism. In Later census and Marriage records he appears as John Bennington Breed. His Marriage certificate shows no details of who his father was. This man was my husbands great grandfather so if anyone can help with information on this I'd be most grateful.