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Arthur (Lewis) Jones went to America.

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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Feb 2013 18:16

This death matches the birthdate on the draft cards:

Social Security Death Index

Name: David Jones
SSN: 447-18-4185
Last Residence: 74003 Bartlesville, Washington, Oklahoma, United States of America
Born: 29 Jan 1888
Died: May 1976
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2013 18:30

No! I can't believe this! My very first visit to the U.S. was to ............ Bartlesville Ok. in 1992. May I ask how you found this and can I find out for example who reported the death-ie who was the next of kin? Can I apply for a death certificate?
I cannot tell you how grateful I am for your help. I am feeding all this information to my parents- both in their mid 80's and my Aunt who is nearly 90. They are enthralled by this.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Feb 2013 18:40

Frances, I found that on Ancestry worldwide but here's a link to the same record on FamilySearch:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J12M-Y6Y

I'm afraid I personally don't know how to get the death certificate but I'm sure someone who has more knowledge of US records will be along ....

May I ask, is it a complete coincidence that's where you went in 1992, or was there a family connection?

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2013 18:58

No it is an absolute complete coincidence and a major one because Bartlesville is not on the tourist trail!
A good friend of mine who has daughters the same age as mine, has a husband who worked in London for Phillips Petroleum. Bartlesville is the headquarters of Phillips and the family was moved out there for two years.
We had never been to the States and we were invited out for Christmas. I am currently trying to see how close to the postcode shown on the information you have found,is to where we stayed.
We are wondering why he would have moved there after becoming disabled. Both my husband and myself thought that there may have been a disability training centre but we are probably adding 2+2 and making 5. Because many years elapsed between the disability registration and his death he is just as likely to have moved to be near family

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Feb 2013 19:27

Oh Frances, I'm afraid that death looks like it was another coincidence. I've found this:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Jones&GSfn=David&GSby=1888&GSbyrel=in&GSdy=1976&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=63379913&df=all&

I suppose with such a common name it would figure that someone else had the same birthdate.

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2013 21:29

Arising out of the disability claim I am now on the trail of Peter Hodiak named in it and I think I have now traced the family. Trying to place a call to the States ls we speak!

Frances

Frances Report 9 Feb 2013 21:29

Arising out of the disability claim I am now on the trail of Peter Hodiak named in it and I think I have now traced the family. Trying to place a call to the States ls we speak!

mgnv

mgnv Report 10 Feb 2013 01:07

name: David Jones
titles & terms:
event: Census
event year: 1940
event place: Riverdale, Election District 19, Prince George's, Maryland, United States
gender: Male
age: 52
marital status: Married
race (original):
race (standardized): White
relationship to head of household (original):
relationship to head of household (standardized): Father-in-law
birthplace: Wales
estimated birth year: 1888
residence in 1935: District Of Columbia
enumeration district number: 17-72
family number: 27
sheet number and letter: 2A
line number: 31
nara publication number: T627
nara roll number: 1558
digital folder number: 005461120
image number: 00524
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Peter Hodiak M 30 Michigan [Chemist]
wife Minnie Hodiak F 33 England [Telephone Operator]
daughter Marie Hodiak F 2 Maryland
son Paul Hodiak M 0 Maryland
father-in-law David Jones M 52 Wales [Carpenter]
mother-in-law Lucy Jones F 46 Wales
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1940," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K7FK-K13 : accessed 10 Feb 2013), David Jones in household of Peter Hodiak, Riverdale, Election District 19, Prince George's, Maryland, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 17-72, sheet 2A, family 27, NARA digital publication T627, roll 1558.

Click on link, then view image in left column.
[addy=500 Ashland Ave, so they move by 1942 (WW2 draft card)
Peter & Minnie were in Mt Rainier WA in 1935
Mt Rainier serves as a local weather forecaster in Seattle - if you can see Mt Rainier, it's going to rain, and if you can't see Mt Rainier, it's already raining]

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 11:03

mgnv - what a star!

I've been boggle eyed trying to find David Jones, never thought of Hodiak.

Frances, do let us know outcome.

Frances

Frances Report 10 Feb 2013 15:25

FOUND THEM!!!
I am so so grateful to you all. Each little bit of information took me forward to thenext.
The one breakthrough was the disability claim and the name of Peter Hodiak. We were stuck at this stage -apart form the little jaunt to Bartlesville and I didn't know where to go from there.
Hodiak was quite easy to follow and soon we saw that David Thomas Jones was his father-in law. We were also able to google Hodiak and I have just spoken to my 2nd cousin in Woodbine Maryland!
He had no idea of my existence but knew his grandfather was Welsh.
He was able to tell me the one thing I still wanted to know which is that he is buried at Fort Lincoln in Washington.
I am quite humbled that so many of you spent so much time trying to help me - a stranger.
I thank you so much. If I can ever help you in return I hope I will be the first on your calling list.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 16:26

Oh Frances, that's fantastic - I'm so pleased for you.

This is exactly why we do what we do.

mgnv

mgnv Report 10 Feb 2013 16:31

MC - I saw your WW2 draft card, so I looked for David Jones in MD - 249 hits.
I added pob=Wales, b 1886-1891 and got just the one hit, and saw it was Peter's h/h, and he was the WW2 addy knower, so I'd got our Dai.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 16:45

Just to tidy up some loose ends, I've found the elusive Arthur going to US with his mum and sister:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Arthur L Jones
Arrival Date: 13 Oct 1910
Birth Date: abt 1910
Age: 6 Months
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Welsh
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Lusitania

Travelling with mum Louisa (25), Minnie (4) - all three born Llanarthney, Wales. Travelling to father David T Jones at 8 Acre Avenue, Scranton PA.

With them was a cousin Spencer C Jones (21) a carpenter, born Carmarthen.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 16:50

Family in 1920:

1920 United States Federal Census

Name: David F Jones (It is David T)
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Wales
Home in 1920: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1910 (same for all of them)
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Louisa Jones
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
David F Jones 32 Carpenter
Louisa Jones 32
Minnie Jones 14
Arthur L Jones 9

Street Address: 10091/2 4 ½ Street SW

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Feb 2013 17:00

I think Arthur may have been too young to have had a son in WW2 so was it actually Arthur who turned up at your gran's house?

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Feb 2013 18:09

So happy for you Frances! That was a real stroke of luck and I must admit, I thought your chances of going further were very slim indeed.

Just shows you, never give up hope. I really hope your connection to your new found family proves to be very happy and fruitful.

Best wishes Liz x

Renes

Renes Report 10 Feb 2013 18:09

Congratulation to all in this search .....

Most interesting read I have had for a while ....


Great researching ....

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Feb 2013 18:18

???


U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 about Arthur L Jones
Name: Arthur L Jones
Birth Year: 1910
Race: White, citizen (White)

Enlistment Date: 3 Dec 1943
Enlistment State: Maryland
Enlistment City: Baltimore
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 3 years of high school
Civil Occupation: Carpenters
Marital Status: Married
Height: 00
Weight: 000

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Feb 2013 18:24

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U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 about Arthur Lewis Jones
Name: Arthur Lewis Jones
Service Info.: PFC HDQ BTRY 416 F A GP FA U S A
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1910
Death Date: 11 Aug 1957
Interment Date: 14 Aug 1957
Cemetery: Arlington National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: C/O Director Arlington, VA 22211
Buried At: Section 33 Site 8194



Social Security Death Index about Arthur Jones
Name: Arthur Jones
SSN: 214-03-9498
Born: 7 Apr 1910
Died: Aug 1957
State (Year) SSN issued: Maryland (Before 1951)




U.S. National Cemetery Interment Control Forms, 1928-1962 about Arthur Lewis Jones
Name: Arthur Lewis Jones
Death Date: 11 Aug 1957
Cemetery: Arlington National Cemetery
Burial Location: Arlington, Virginia


Lena Frances Jones of 5705 36 Ave. West Hyattsville , Md. was his widow.




http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=JO&GSfn=a&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=48&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GSsr=1961&GRid=49239509&df=all&

alviegal

alviegal Report 10 Feb 2013 18:31

???


Social Security Death Index about L. Frances F. Jones
Name: L. Frances F. Jones
SSN: 578-40-8304
Last Residence: 20737 Riverdale, Prince Georges, Maryland, United States of America
Born: 3 Feb 1906
Died: 18 May 1994
State (Year) SSN issued: District of Columbia (Before 1951)



U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 about L Frances Jones
Name: L Frances Jones
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1906
Address: 5009 Somerset Rd, Riverdale, MD, 20737-1137 (1993)
[5902 31st Ave Apt 416, Hyattsville, MD, 20782-2908]