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Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 19:42

Looking for a marraige between Dorothy Jane Brown born 1852 Northumberland to a William Blackbird from Durham born 1840. Both of these had been married 3 times. Her first was 1876 and second 1883, his were 1861 and 1873, now where there marraige fits in I am not sure but I believe it is after 1873. There is a hint that he had a child out of wedlock so maybe this was to Dorothy and they never married?, have looked and can find nothing. Her two previous marriages were to George Todd and Robert Hunter, would she get married again in her married name or her maiden name?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Feb 2013 19:52

Hi Gillian, presuming that she had been "properly" married then subsequent remarriages would be in her married name of the time.

However, if she'd never bothered the vicar and had just taken her chap's name then she could marry in that name or the one before.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 9 Feb 2013 19:57

Not seeing a death on freebmd for Dorothy as BLACKBIRD.
Do you know when she died?

Gwyn

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 19:58

Complicated xx

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 19:59

Sorry, no idea. I know she married William after her marriage to George Todd as her children were then listed as his.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Feb 2013 20:01

This is Dorothy's first marriage:-

Name: BROWN, Dorothy Jane
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Year of registration: 1876
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 11

MarriageFinder: Dorothy Jane Brown married one of the following people:

TODD, George<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WATT, Francis William C
WOOD, Christina

and her second marriage:-


Name: TODD, Dorothy Jane
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Year of registration: 1883
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 26

MarriageFinder: Dorothy Jane Todd married one of the following people:

CROZIER, Thomas
HUNTER, Robert<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MITCHELL, Mary Ann

If she got married a third time it should be in the name Hunter (but she could call herself anything).

Kath. x


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Feb 2013 20:02

Is she on a census with William and if so which census?

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:05

Thank you for that, as I said complicated..

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:05

The only census I can get is the 1881 by which time he is with Mary Ann Shield.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Feb 2013 20:06

I can't find a William Blackbird at all on the census in Northumberland.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Feb 2013 20:07

Where is he in 1881 census as I still can't find a William Blackbird?

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:07

He lived in County Durham, Dorothy was Northumberland, and because of his job I guess they all lived in County Durham when they married.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Feb 2013 20:08

There were two William Blackbirds from Durham (see OP), one born c1841 and one born c1845. Which one of these is the correct one in 1881?

BLACKBIRD, William Head Married M 40 1841 Grocer Out Of Business Winlaton, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Mary A Wife Married F 27 1854 Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Jane Daughter Single F 15 1866 Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1868 Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Sarah A Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, William Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Matthew Son Single M 1 1880 Whickham, Durham

Piece: 5043 Folio: 90 Page: 13
Registration District: Gateshead
Civil Parish: Whickham

Address: Spencers Bank, Whickham County: Durham
_______________________________________________________________

or this one?

BLACKBIRD, William Head Married M 36 1845 Butcher Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Jane Wife Married F 33 1848 Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Mary E B Daughter Single F 15 1866 Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Matilda Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, William Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Ellen Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Heworth, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Emily Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Heworth, Durham

Piece: 5029 Folio: 76 Page: 2
Registration District: Gateshead
Civil Parish: Heworth

Address: 3, Belgrave Ter, Heworth County: Durham

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:10

1881 they lived in Spencer Bank, Whickham, County Durham.

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:10

He was born 1841 xx

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Feb 2013 20:12

Is this "your" William in the 1881 census:-

1881 census transcription details for: Spencers Bank, Whickham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5043
Folio: 90
Page: 13
Reg. District: Gateshead
Sub District: Whickham
Parish: Whickham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Spencers Bank, Whickham
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

BLACKBIRD, William Head Married M 40 1841 Grocer Out Of Business
Winlaton, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Mary A Wife Married F 27 1854
Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Jane Daughter Single F 15 1866
Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1868
Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Sarah A Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, William Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Whickham, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Matthew Son Single M 1 1880
Whickham, Durham

EDIT - I see from your last post this is the correct one.

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:13

Yes, that is he xx

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 9 Feb 2013 20:13

He's a widower 1891:

BLACKBIRD, William Head Widower M 50 1841 Cooperative Stores Manager Derwent Haugh, County Durham
BLACKBIRD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 22 1869 Swalwell, County Durham
BLACKBIRD, Sarah Ann Daughter Single F 17 1874 Assistant School Teacher Swalwell, County Durham
BLACKBIRD, William Son M 15 1876 Grocers Assistant Swalwell, County Durham
BLACKBIRD, Matthew Son M 11 1880 Scholar Swalwell, County Durham
BLACKBIRD, Edward Son M 8 1883 Scholar Swalwell, County Durham

Piece: 4187 Folio: 76 Page: 29
Registration District: Gateshead
Civil Parish: Whickham

Address: Market Lane, Whickham, Swalwell County: Durham

Also still widowed in 1901 & 1911

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 9 Feb 2013 20:16

Wow! thank you for that 1891 census xx This is my husbands tree I am trying to do, his cousin gave me 2 scrappy bits of A4 paper on and that was all I had beside the local cemetary and my husbands vague memory xx

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Feb 2013 20:16

Here he is in 1901:-

1901 census transcription details for: Cooperative Buildings, Market Lane, Whickham, Swalwell To Dunston Bank Foot

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4762
Folio: 17
Page: 25
Reg. District: Gateshead
Sub District: Whickham
Parish: Whickham
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Swalwall
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Cooperative Buildings, Market Lane, Whickham, Swalwell To Dunston Bank Foot
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

BLACKBIRD, William Head Widower M 60 1841 Co Operative Store Manager
Swalwell, Durham
BLACKBIRD, William Son Single M 25 1876 Grocery Assistant (Store)
Swalwell, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Matthew Son Single M 21 1880 Engine Fitter
Swalwell, Durham
BLACKBIRD, Edward E Son Single M 19 1882 Clerk Coop
Swalwell, Durham
FLETCHER, Arnold A Son-In-Law Married M 33 1868 Engine Fitter
Swalwell, Durham
FLETCHER, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 33 1868
Swalwell, Durham
FLETCHER, Ann Grand Daughter F 8 1893
Swalwell, Durham
FLETCHER, Winnifrid Grand Daughter F 2 1899
Swalwell, Durham
FLETCHER, William Grand Son M 0 (3 MOS) 1901
Swalwell, Durham

Kath. x