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18 Feb 2013 22:06 |
Hi,
Thank you for your help and for the information on Martha and Mary, also for the information on Joseph, it is most appreciated. Any help we are most grateful of.
Regards, Christine
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17 Feb 2013 06:57 |
If you haven't already tried, this site has the parish records for Killarney, Co Kerry and is free (coverage from c1838-1911):
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html
I've had a quick look but no sign of William or father Edward though.
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16 Feb 2013 22:46 |
Christine....This may possibly be the family of Martha.....Note surname is spelled Baggaley
name: Joseph Baggaley age: 41 gender: Male birth year: 1840 birthplace: Tunstall, Staffordshire, England relationship to head of household: Head marital condition: Married profession/occupation: Potters Dipper address: 2 Haywood Place census place: Burslem, Staffordshire, England disability: record type: Household family history library film: 1341650 the national archives reference: RG11 piece/folio: 2713 / 40 page number: 30 Household Gender Age Birthplace head Joseph Baggaley M 41 Tunstall, Staffordshire, wife Susannah Baggaley F 43 Whitchurch, Shropshire, son Thomas Baggaley M 21 Ferry Bridge, Yorkshire, daughter Zilphy Baggaley F 18 Tunstall, Staffordshire, son Simpson Baggaley M 16 Burslem, Staffordshire, daughter Martha Baggaley F 10 Burslem, Staffordshire, son Joseph T Baggaley M 8 Burslem, Staffordshire, daughter Minnie Baggaley F 2 Burslem, Staffordshire,
Susannah and Joseph married 1859 Burslem she was nee Jones
From the BMDs Martha appears was a twin...other child named Mary.(See Below) other children:
John 1875
Susanna 1877
Emily 1883
Births Jun 1871 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BAGGALEY Martha Wolstanton 6b 173 BAGGALEY Mary Wolstanton 6b 173
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16 Feb 2013 22:14 |
Christine...It appears that William and Martha had another child born following their Marriage 1895...Martha's surname is spelt Baggaley/Baddeley..but cross ref shows that mother is Martha Baggley....
William Jordan, Martha Baddeley William Jordan..Born 1896 Baptism/christening 05 Jan 1897 Baptism/christening place St Mary's Tunstall Stafford,
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16 Feb 2013 10:41 |
Have you considered this death for William - this registration district covered Burslem and Tunstall at the time:
William Jordon Birth Date: abt 1869 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919 Age at Death: 50 Registration district: Wolstanton Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 154
The spelling of Jordon is also used on the death for Edward on the commonwealth war graves site, although Ancestry has it as Jordan as Christine has already posted.
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16 Feb 2013 10:27 |
Dont know if this could help?
http://www.stoke.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/community-and-living/births-and-deaths/burials/
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christine
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16 Feb 2013 09:49 |
Hi,
What is the easiest way to find out where Martha Jordan was buried?
Thanks, Chris
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christine
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13 Feb 2013 21:04 |
hi thanks for finding martha i am sure this is my grandmorther i have been looking for a while i could not find anying beyound their marriage certificate i had no idea she only lived to the age of 55. many thanks chris great result.
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Moody Blue
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11 Feb 2013 23:19 |
Wonder if this may be Martha?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Martha Jordon Name: Martha Jordon Birth Date: abt 1871 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926 Age at Death: 55 Registration district: Stoke on Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 138
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christine
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11 Feb 2013 22:29 |
Hi Catherine,
I would like to thank you for all of your help, we have tried several sites and you are the only one that has been able to help us. Special thanks for finding Bridget and Edward.
We really appreciate your help, we will continue to search for William Jordan.
Occupation of Edward - Labourer, William's occupation - Coal Heaver. The witnesses at Williams wedding were Joseph Thomas Baggley and Minnie Baggley.
Kind Regards, Christine
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Catherine
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11 Feb 2013 20:26 |
This may be Edward?
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Edward Jordan Name: Edward Jordan Birth Place: Tunstall, Staffs Residence: Burslem, Staffs Death Date: 17 Mar 1917 Death Location: Salonika Enlistment Location: Tunstall, Staffs Rank: Private Regiment: South Wales Borderers Battalion: 7th Battalion Number: 19467 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre
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Catherine
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11 Feb 2013 20:17 |
I know it isn't what you asked for but here it is anyway:-
As Bridget doesn't show on any census records, then I think this is probably her:-
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Bridget Jordon Name: Bridget Jordon Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905 Registration district: Wolstanton Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 85 ..........................................................
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Bridget Jordan Name: Bridget Jordan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909 Age at Death: 3 Registration district: Wolstanton Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 64
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Catherine
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11 Feb 2013 19:01 |
Christine, If you know that the father was called Edward, then I assume that you have the marriage certificate. In that case could you give his father's occupation please. Where there any witnesses that may be siblings of William and what did he give as his address at the time of marriage?
You say his son Edward died in the war, maybe William also died in the war?
As he was noted as deceased on the marriage cert. of your parents, do you know if he was also noted as deceased on any siblings that married at an earlier date?
Did Edward die in WW1? If so, then do you have his army records to see who he noted as next of kin? If he noted his mother, then you know that William must of died before the date that Edward signed up, if not then that would at least narrow down a date!
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christine
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11 Feb 2013 16:48 |
hi cathrine many thanks for your help my mum told me my grandad was bourn in kilarny? ireland in1870 i believe they lost 2 children Bridget died when her nightie caught fire edward was killed in the war? william was dead before 1936 this is the year my parents were married on the marrage certificate he is deceased you have been a great help if you could give me any info on when he died and where many thanks chris
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christine
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10 Feb 2013 23:05 |
hi cathrine many thanks for your help my mum told me my grandad was bourn in kilarny in ierland? in1870 i believe they lost 2 children bridget died when her nightie caught fire edward killed in the war? william was dead before1936 this is the year my parents were married on the marrage certificate he is deceased you have been a great help if you could give me any info on when he died and where as i have been trying i just can not seem to get any where many many thanks chris.
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Catherine
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10 Feb 2013 21:04 |
Do you have William's exact date of birth please?
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10 Feb 2013 20:56 |
Births Dec 1912 Jordan Winifred Baggley Wolstanton 6b 318
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Catherine
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10 Feb 2013 20:52 |
Can't see the family in 1911 so I'm wondering if they were in Ireland?
No here they are:-
1911 England Census about William Jarden Name: William Jarden Age in 1911: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Ireland Civil parish: Burslem County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: 78 Navigation Road, Burslem, Stoke On Trent Marital Status: Married Years Married: 16 Estimated Marriage Year: 1895 Occupation: Workers Labourer Registration district: Wolstanton Registration District Number: 360 Sub-registration district: Burslem ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 49 Piece: 16498 Household Members: Name Age William Jarden 40 Martha Jarden 38 Edward Jarden 12 Betsy Jarden 10 May Jarden 8 Tom Jarden 3 William Jarden 8/12
Married 16yrs. 7 children, 5 living and 2 died.
.............still no clue?
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10 Feb 2013 20:44 |
1901 doesn't give any clues, unfortunately:-
1901 England Census about William Jordan Name: William Jordan Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Jordan Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Tunstall Ecclesiastical parish: Tunstall St Mary Town: Tunstall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: 39 Booth Street
Occupation: Ironworker Puddler
Registration district: Wolstanton Sub-registration district: Tunstall ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 161 Piece: 2590 Folio: 176 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age William Jordan 31 Martha Jordan 30 Edward Jordan 2 Betsy Jordan 11 Months Susannah Baggley 26 Emily Baggley 22
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Catherine
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10 Feb 2013 20:42 |
Eveie, Christine says that his father was Edward, not James.
Christine, do you have any idea where in Ireland he was born?
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