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Driscoll Bridget, Laura and Margaret, Southwark

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Driscoll

Driscoll Report 11 Feb 2013 05:59

I cannot seem to make any headway with these members of the family.
Parents were John and Catherine (nee Neale) Driscoll living in Hanover St (1871) Princes St (1881) and Elephant Lane (1891) and 1901.
Another daughter, Mary, married John McCarthy and is her family is living with the parents in 1901
I have a birth cert for Bridget born 9 Jan 1871
Laura (Nora) was born in 1873 and Margaret in 1879.

Any assistance in finding what became of them would be appreciated.

Flip

Flip Report 11 Feb 2013 06:45

For ref:

Catherine Driscoll
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Driscoll
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Rotherhithe
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 384
Folio: 138
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John Driscoll 54
Catherine Driscoll 53
Nora Driscoll 18
Margaret Driscoll 9

So Bridget had left home between 1881/1891, Laura(Nora) & Margaret between 1891/1901.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 11 Feb 2013 07:36

Hi

Did Bridget marry Richard Maybank ?


Marriages Dec 1889

BALMER James St. Olave 1d 639

>>>>DRISCOLL Bridget St. Olave 1d 639
>>>>Maybank Richard St. Olave 1d 639

Nelligan Catherine St. Olave 1d 639

===================================

1901 census ??

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Bridget Maybank
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Maybank
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 25 Clarkes Orchard (? I think that is what it says)

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 397
Folio: 86
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Maybank 35
Bridget Maybank 30
Richard Maybank 10
Edward Maybank 8
John Maybank 5
Emily Maybank 20 Months (on the image Emily is a 20 year old Visitor not a daughter)


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 397; Folio: 86; Page: 18.

=====================================================

could this be Bridgets Death index ?


Deaths Mar 1910 (>99%)

Maybank Bridget age 38 St. Olave 1d 114

==================================================

Not finding anything on 1911 census :-S


Barbara x

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Feb 2013 08:18

Possible?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Norah Driscoll
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 19
Spouse Name: James Phipps - labourer
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Sep 1892
Parish: Southwark St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Driscoll - labourer
Spouse Father Name: James Phipps - deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before and both from Walworth.

Witnesses: William Dowsett & Rose Sherer

(John Driscoll was a corn porter on the 1891)

Reggie

Reggie Report 11 Feb 2013 10:40

Are you aware of freebmd?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Feb 2013 15:25

Thank you MarieCeleste and BarbarafromYorkshire - I had not come across the Maybank wedding. I shall investigate.
I did have the Phipps record saved but cannot find them after that so have not been able to advance this.
I shall apply for the certs.

Most appreciated! :-)

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 12 Feb 2013 15:54

Hi
I will try and send you the image for the marriage for Norah via a PM Not sure if it will work but we can but try lol !!!

I can't find the Parish Record for Bridget though !! So looks like a cert is needed to prove its the right one.

Barbara x

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Feb 2013 16:04

Thank you Barbara - yes I am able to download and open the Phipps wedding. Thank you. I shall apply for the Maybank one and hope it is the right Bridget. :-D

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Feb 2013 16:15

Clarks Orchard works for this family. They have had various members of the family at this address. Thank you!

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 12 Feb 2013 18:00

I was hoping to get some clues as to where the Maybank children were in 1911 census--but not having much luck

This seems to be the marriage for Emily Maybank ,who was a 20 year visitor on 1901


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Emily Maybank
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Peter John Coker
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Jul 1904
Parish: Bermondsey St Anne
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Maybank
Spouse Father Name: James George Coker
Register Type: Parish Register

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Anne, Bermondsey, Register of marriages, P71/ANN, Item 011.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

this is the 1911 census for them


1911 England Census 1911 England Census
Name: Emily Coker
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Reed Street, Rotherhithe
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 1930
Household Members: Name Age
Peter John Coker 30
Emily Coker 30
Emily Maud Coker 5
Alice Ann Coker 4

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 1930; ; .

=============================================

in 1914 they all travelled together on

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Peter John Coker
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Arrival: 28 May 1914
Vessel: Teutonic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Teutonic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4809



Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.

He was with Emily (wife)---(And Children) Emily Maud --Alice Ann--and William Thomas
=========================================================

Emily, seems to be Richards sister.


Not sure how this will help--but just thought i would add it on

Barbara x

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 12 Feb 2013 21:23

Thank you - I am wondering if Richard left as well.
Curiosity.....I am delighted to have that wedding of Bridget. She is living next to two of her sisters, Kate Henley and Mary McCarthy in the 1901 census - so that really just has to be her. But, where did that marriage come from???
I cannot find it through Ancestry, and I know that there are other church records that I didn't think were on line. Mary married John McCarthy - and although I know there are records - I cannot locate them.
I am trying to find out more about my G Grandmother, their sister, Annie or Anna, Hannah. I have her baptism of 1868, Rotherhithe. I am wondering if there are also any records from her where ever you got that wedding? She must have had a life before the 1901 and 1911 census's where she is living (as a 'housekeeeper') with William Hollingsworth in Trident and Maynard Sts. Anything you are able to add to her?
Thank you so much for solving the Bridget mystery! :-)

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 13 Feb 2013 00:47

You are welcome, but the mystery isn't solved until the cert proves she is the right Bridget --I hope she is though.

I am not finding anything else for Ann / Annie / Anne --but will take another look tomorrow ( well later today)

I found the marriage for Bridget on

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

then i went looking on census to see which of the 2 males on the index she had married.

I will take another look for Richard later on too. he and the children can't just have vanished can they

I can't see them going abroad, nor on the Irish or Welsh census ---I am wondering about 1911 Scotland cesus !!

Barbara x

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 14 Mar 2013 05:20

This is definitely the correct Bridget - I have the marriage cert ....and also her death certificate in 1910 of TB.
Marriage cert has her living at 1 Clarks Orchard - and this is the correct family.
Witnesses were Thomas Brown and Eliza Taylor. Church is 'The Most Holy Trinity' of St Olaves.

Also have her father's death cert from 1901 witness is daughter Mary (says Carter, but is McCarthy). Correct address of 8 Elephant place for the precious census.

Nice when all the results check out correctly.

Still struggling with Margaret and Laura. Also keen to find Annie in years between 1881 and 1901.

Thanks so much for that Maybank hint - perfect. :-)

Choccy

Choccy Report 14 Mar 2013 06:59



??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Honorah Phipps
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1894
Age at Death: 21
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 136


perhaps she died in childbirth ?


Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phipps James St. Olave 1d 310


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Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phipps Honorah 21 St. Olave 1d 136
Phipps James 0 St. Olave 1d 142

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 17 Mar 2013 16:16

Oh darn, another one bites the dust then. I shall get the certs to prove.
This family of mine seemed stricken. That I think makes it 7 out of 10 children deceased before their parents. Parents John and Catherine died 1901 and 1902 and I have their certs.

So, Margaret is still missing. I am playing with the possibility she might be one of the children of the girls. I see a free BDM record of a Margaret Ellen Driscoll about that time and wonder if I should apply for it.

Annie, baptised as Ann, but often called Anna or even Hannah is my main mystery for the time period of 1881 and 1901 where she turns up as a 'Housekeeper' with William Aaron Hollingsworth. I also do not think she registered the birth of Edward Walter Driscoll/Hollingsworth in 1906, birth date given of Feb 4th. and yet her eldest is recorded as Illegitimate and born in Horsleydown in 1902, 3rd Dec.
I have all the baptisms of her children, sometimes with William Aaron recorded as a Driscoll but often only Hannah or Annie. She is a mystery before this time.
She ended up on her own raising her children as a 'Convenience operator', my grandfather became a share broker, so she must have done a good job considering the difficulties.
I would dearly like to find out her history. I think it is a miracle someone from this family survived the poverty and disease of the slums of the East End, particularly with TB ravaging the family.

Thank you so much choccy. I shall get the certs to prove the above - but looks like it is correct. Sad though.

Driscoll

Driscoll Report 21 Mar 2013 05:57

Found another birth! Catherine Annie Driscoll b 1886 died 11 weeks later. Annie Driscoll, factory worker of Deptford is the mother on the Cert. Confirms her address with the Rotherhithe family, 3 Princess St.

Baptism names the father as Edward Collier.
I am wondering if Annie named her Son, born about 20 years later as Edward Walter Driscoll, because of Edward Collier who I suspect died young?

Appreciate any input. Also, are there any more children born to Annie Driscoll apart from Maggie, Hannah, Edward, and Lillie? I had heard there was a George, and now we have Catherine Annie. Annie Driscoll was living in Deptform between the census of 1881 and when she turns up again in Rotherhithe with William Aaron Hollingworth.

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 12:17

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1297036

Plus an earlier thread which has been deleted.............