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James Empson

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Mark

Mark Report 11 Feb 2013 08:25

I am looking for information about James Empson, married to Mary Binley around 1782

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Feb 2013 08:28

Hello Mark, welcome to the boards.

What other info do you already have so that we don't duplicate it?

Adeline

Adeline Report 11 Feb 2013 09:44

You will find the date and place of marriage on familysearch.org.

Free to search.

Reggie

Reggie Report 11 Feb 2013 10:03

Mark

A TIP

Location info is vital when you ask for help

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Feb 2013 10:15

?????????????

Henry George Empson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth 05 Mar 1788
christening 06 Mar 1788 LYING IN HOSPITAL ENDELL STREET,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
parentJames Empson, Mary Ann

Mary Ann Empson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth 29 Mar 1792
christening 12 Apr 1792 LYING IN HOSPITAL ENDELL STREET,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
parentJames Empson, Mary

Thomas Empson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth 23 Nov 1789
christening 26 Nov 1789 LYING IN HOSPITAL ENDELL STREET,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
parentJames Empson, Mary Ann

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Feb 2013 10:19

groom's name: James Empson
bride's name: Mary Binley
marriage date: 01 Aug 1782
marriage place: Saint Leonards ,Shoreditch,London,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04081-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 396249, 396250, 396251, 396252, 396253

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 Feb 2013 10:37

The 1782 marriage image is on Ancestry.

Additional details

Mary Binley was a Widow, James a Bachelor
Witnesses John Jones and William Burgess.

All parties could sign their names rather neatly which implies they may have been literate.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 Feb 2013 10:51

Possibly related?

Mary Ann Empson
Burial Date: 14 Oct 1795
Parish: St Andrew, Holborn (of Fetter Lane)
County: London
Borough: Camden
Record Type: Burial
Register Type: Parish Register

Likely to be an adult as at least one other entry has (child) written after the name.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 11 Feb 2013 10:55

James' remarriage, or someone with the same name?

Both parties are widow/widower

Elizabeth Susannah Derrett
Spouse Name: James Empson
Record Type: Banns <<<< not marriage
Event Date: 7 Aug 1796
Parish: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Register

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Feb 2013 18:51

no good looking at my tree Mark - we have no connection at all

can you come back and respond on here as I suggested please

Mark

Mark Report 12 Feb 2013 06:10

WOW
What a fantastic response. I did not expect to get much out at all, but you have all done so much, thank you!!

I am decended from a Thomas Empson 1796 - 1824, Married to Suzannah Ware in 1819 in Harrow London.

Thomas was decended from a James Empson and Mary Empson and I am trying to find the link there.

I will follow all your suggestions and see what comes out.

Best regards from Christchurch New Zealand.
Mark Empson.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Feb 2013 07:59

Hi Mark, you'll always get a good response on here!

You say your Thomas was born 1796 but AnnCardiff has posted a birth for 1789. Where did you get 1796 from? It's always possible that they had a child called Thomas who died (note the one in 1789 was baptised early) and then re-used the name.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Feb 2013 08:06

This could likely be your Thomas's baptism:

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812

Name: Thomas Empson
Baptism Date: 9 Aug 1795
Parish: St Andrew, Holborn
County: London
Borough: Camden
Parent(s): James Empson, Mary Empson
Record Type: Christening
Register Type: Parish Register

They lived Fetter Lane

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Feb 2013 08:13

Is this a coincidence?

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Thomas Corby Empson
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1823
Burial Date: 6 Sep 1823
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register

Lived Paradise Place

(Looks like this one married a Rebecca Humphries in 1818)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Feb 2013 08:14

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Empson
Name: Thomas Empson
Spouse Name: Susanna Ware
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1818
Parish: Harrow St Mary
Borough: Harrow
Register Type: Parish Register
In the prefence of: (Difficult to read.....could be Ely? or Emily? Empson and Joseph Cox)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Feb 2013 08:20

Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Thos Empson
Name: Thos Empson
Baptism Date: 1795
Parent 1: Jas Empson
Parent 2: MaryEmpson
Parish: St. Andrew Holborn
County: London

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Feb 2013 08:30

The Ipswich Journal of 1 November 1800 published a list of national bankruptcies, included was a James Empson, a painter of Fetter Lane.

Ties in with 1795 baptism above.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Feb 2013 09:12

Baptisms

EMPSON Amelia Susanna 15 Feb 1820 Thomas Susanna HARROW ST MARY

EMPSON John Henry 5 Aug 1821 Thomas Susanna HARROW ST MARY

EMPSON Thomas 29 May 1825 Thomas Susanna HARROW ST MARY

(Occupation of Father as Grocer, Shopkeeper 1821)

Chris :)

(looking back at 1818 Marriage, witness looks to be Elizabeth?)

Mark

Mark Report 12 Feb 2013 09:28

The information that I have goes back to information passed down a generation or two.
I am prety happy about the Thomas Empson and Suzannah Ware, this has come from multiple sources.
The Dates for Thomas are also coming from a number of family sources, but the James/Mary Empson are probably more suspect.

I do not believe the Thomas Corby Empson is the same Thomas, although the dates are very close. Makes me suspicious of the quoted dates.
There are definite records of the marriage of Thomas and Suzannah and the dates stack up.

Thomas Corby is recorded with a different spouse, so I believe a different Thomas.

I am suspicious of the dates for Thomas, and also the parents of Thomas. Hence I have been looking for info on James to see if there is an obvious link.

It is interesting, and perhaps relevent that the son of Thomas and Suzannah is also a Thomas and in one census only, he is recorded as James, so I assume that he was a Thomas James possibly. This would provide a posible link to a grandfather called James.

There is a tradition in my family, that the eldest born son is a Thomas. I am a Thomas also, as was my father, so I am known by my second name Mark.
I do not know what caused the tradition and am curious to find out.

Best regards, Mark.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Feb 2013 19:08

Mark, why are you suspicious of the dates? - they are taken from actual records.

I agree that Thomas Corby Empson is a different person, I only posted that record because of the similarity in dates, obviously just a coincidence.

The address in the newspaper article I posted and that on the 1795 baptism could strengthen the link between Thomas and James.

The naming pattern is quite a common one.