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seeking marriage Fleming/Conroy

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Helen

Helen Report 11 Feb 2013 13:12

Hi
My gt gt grandparents were Catherine Conroy and Simon Fleming (poss aka James Fleming). They both have Scotland and Stockton/Middlesbrough (co Durham and co Yorkshire) connections, and possibly places between Stockton and Newcastle.
I believe their son James Fleming was born in Stockton in 1872. I am unable to find a marriage or census for them. Can anyone give me any pointers please?

Many thanks
Helen

Reggie

Reggie Report 11 Feb 2013 13:17

Which site(s) have you used in trying to find info?

How did you learn Catherine's maiden name if you are unsure of the birth details of the son?

Reggie

Reggie Report 11 Feb 2013 13:20

Is this James jnr?

1901 England Census
Name: James Fleming
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockton on Tees, Durham, England
Civil parish: Middlesbrough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 4577
Folio: 164
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Hy Taspery 43
Emily Taspery 36
Henry Taspery 20
Edith Taspery 18
John Taspery 15
Sarah E Taspery 7
George Taspery Under 7 Months
James Fleming 28

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Feb 2013 13:38

Is this James's birth? :-


Name: FLEMING, James
Registration district: Stockton
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1872
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 114

Kath. x

alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Feb 2013 13:46

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1901 census transcription details for: 103, High Street, Jarrow
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4742
Folio: 111
Page: 13
Reg. District: South Shields
Sub District: Boldon
Parish: Jarrow
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: Jarrow on Tyne St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 103, High Street, Jarrow
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FLEMING, Simon J Head Widower M 59 1842 Bill Distributer
Scotland


1891 census transcription details for: 8 & 6, Dunn Street, Hedworth Monkton And Yarrow, Jarrow
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4165
Folio: 56
Page: 48
Reg. District: South Shields
Sub District: South Shields
Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough: Jarrow
Address: 8 & 6, Dunn Street, Hedworth Monkton And Yarrow, Jarrow
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROBERTS, George Head Single M 37 1854 Lodging House Manager & Hokey Po? Man
Manchester, Lancashire
SHERRAH, Archibold Deputy Married M 40 1851 Boiler Maker
Scotland
SHERRAH, Isabella Wife Married F 35 1856 Deputy Lodging House Keeper
Scotland
SHERRAH, Racheal Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar
Workington, Cumberland
SHERRAH, Robert Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Sunderland, County Durham
FISTER, William Lodger Single M 50 1841 Hair Dresser
Burton on Trent, Staffordshire
ROSY, Geo Lodger Single M 35 1856 Driller
Scotland
ROONEY, Michael Lodger Single M 42 1849 Furnace Man
Ireland
FITZGERALD, John Lodger Single M 36 1855 Railway Porter
Ireland
OGILVIE, Alexander Lodger Married M 31 1860 Labourer Shipyard
Scotland
NIXON, Nathaniel Lodger Married M 42 1849 Blacksmith
Hexham, Northumberland
REVILL, Thos Lodger Single M 36 1855 Bricklayers Labourer
Hull, Yorkshire
DONALD, James Lodger Single M 20 1871 Tackle Hanger
West Hartlepool, County Durham
FLETCHER, Alexander Lodger Single M 43 1848 Rivetter
Scotland
DAVISON, James Lodger Married M 39 1852 Dock Labourer
Scotland
SMITH, William Lodger Widower M 72 1819 Tinsmith
Scotland
BOW, James Lodger Single M 35 1856 Labourer General
Ireland
MACK, John Lodger Single M 39 1852 Labourer General
Ireland
WARDHAUGH, John Lodger Single M 24 1867 Compositor
Scotland
CURRIE, William Lodger Widower M 56 1835 Labourer General
Ireland
MILLER, Thos Lodger Single M 26 1865 Driller
Scotland
NEWTON, John Lodger Single M 30 1861 Labourer General
Ireland
OVERTON, Henry Lodger Single M 20 1871 Shipman
Carlisle, Cumberland
ATKINSON, Robert W Lodger Single M 30 1861 Labourer General
Tudhoe, County Durham
HODGSON, Charles H Lodger Single M 20 1871 Sawdust Merchant
Ireland
LYON, John Lodger Single M 56 1835 Navvy
Ireland
LYON, Michael Lodger Single M 41 1850 Navvy
Ireland
WELSH, Michael Lodger Single M 58 1833 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
LYNCH, Hugh Lodger Single M 67 1824 Navvy
Ireland
HALL, James Lodger Single M 19 1872 Labourer General
Hebburn, County Durham
MCCURLEE, James Lodger Widower M 50 1841 Labourer General
Ireland
CALLIGHAN, Patrick Lodger Single M 40 1851 Labourer General
Ireland
HANEL, James Lodger Single M 56 1835 Labourer General
Ireland
ROSE, Thos Lodger Single M 51 1840 Paper Maker
Scotland
SHARP, Jas Lodger Single M 48 1843 Fitter
Manchester, Lancashire
>.FLEMING, Simon Lodger Married M 48 1843 Labourer General
Scotland
JENNING, Michael Lodger Single M 60 1831 Bricklayers Labourer
Hull, Yorkshire
ALLISON, Geo Lodger Single M 32 1859 Bricklayers Labourer
Scotland
MCEVAN, John Lodger Single M 28 1863 Painter
Scotland


1881 census transcription details for: 3, White Boar Entry, Newcastle Upon Tyne All Saints
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5065
Folio: 98
Page: 23
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: All Saints
Parish: Newcastle upon Tyne All Saints
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, White Boar Entry, Newcastle Upon Tyne All Saints
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FLEMING, Simon Head Single M 38 1843 Laborer In Iron Works
Scotland

alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Feb 2013 13:48

1871 census transcription details for: Foundry Square, Walker
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 5123
Folio: 102
Page: 40
Reg. District: Tynemouth
Sub District: Longbenton
Parish: Walker
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Foundry Square, Walker
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FLEMING, Simon Head M 26 1845 Scotland
FLEMING, Catharine Wife F 30 1841 Scotland
FLEMING, Mary A Daughter F 15 1856 Codurham
FLEMING, Catherine Daughter F 1 1870 Codurham
NICHOLSON, Mary Servant F 19 1852 Northumberland

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Feb 2013 13:50

Could be Simon and family in the 1871 census:-

1871 census transcription details for: Foundry Square, Walker

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 5123
Folio: 102
Page: 40
Reg. District: Tynemouth
Sub District: Longbenton
Parish: Walker
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Foundry Square, Walker
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

FLEMING, Simon Head M 26 1845 Scotland
FLEMING, Catharine Wife F 30 1841 Scotland
FLEMING, Mary A Daughter F 15 1856 Codurham
FLEMING, Catherine Daughter F 1 1870 Codurham
NICHOLSON, Mary Servant F 19 1852 Northumberland

Kath. x



KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Feb 2013 13:54

Have you looked on ScotlandsPeople for a marriage?

Kath. x

Helen

Helen Report 11 Feb 2013 13:59

Hi
I'm assuming that the 1872 Stockton birth is my gt grandfather, and have the certificate showing Simon Fleming and Catharine Conroy as his parents. I have the 1871 certificate from before his birth. And have the censuses from 1881 showing Simon in Newcastle, and 1901 in Jarrow. I didn't have 1891 so thank you for that one.
I also didn't have James in 1901 so thats another help. I don't seem to be able to find all 3 together, or even James and Catharine together.
I will try to find them in Scotland I think as I think Catharine may have gone back north.

Many thanks to all
Helen

Helen

Helen Report 11 Feb 2013 14:05

Hi Kathleen
Yes I have looked for marriage in Scotland, normal BDI, Marriages and Banns pre 1855 and Catholic Registers but nothing turns up.

Your help is much appreciated.

Thank you

alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Feb 2013 14:14

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: FLEMING, Simon
Registration district: South Shields
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1906
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 64
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 416

Potty

Potty Report 11 Feb 2013 14:16

The gap in age between Mary Ann and Catherine is 14 years - I would guess at a second marriage for Simon.

Helen

Helen Report 11 Feb 2013 14:29

Thank you Potty - but - oh dear - I can't even find one marriage for Simon !

Helen

Helen

Helen Report 11 Feb 2013 14:32

But Simon is younger than Catharine - perhaps Mary Ann was born illegitimately to Catharine - I have another Scottish ancestor this has happened to and they have led me a merry dance, fibbing about ages and names!

Potty

Potty Report 11 Feb 2013 14:36

Mary Ann's birth cert might answer the question:

Name: Mary Ann Fleming
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1856
Registration district: Durham
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 213 (click to see others on page)

Whoops! Of course Mary Ann cannot be Simon's daughter!

Helen

Helen Report 11 Feb 2013 15:29

But she is registered as a Fleming though - thank you. Silly question but where do I order that from ? I have only ordered from teesvalley-indexes before.

Thank you

Potty

Potty Report 12 Feb 2013 12:19

Sorry Helen - the 1856 birth I posted can't be correct as Simon would only have been 11. We need to look for a birth for a Mary Ann Conroy. Catharine seems to have been very young when she was born.

Potty

Potty Report 12 Feb 2013 12:29

No joy with a birth for Mary Ann - there is a Mary Conroy b1856 but I can follow her through the census to 1881.

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 16:43

You say you've 'assumed' that an 1872 birth was your relation............do you have his marriage cert to confirm his father's name and occupation?

As there were no penalties until 1875 for not registering births, any child born before then may not have had its birth registered.

Who/when/where did JAMES marry?

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 16:46

Is this James? And is his son also your direct line?

1911 England Census
Name: James Fleming
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stockton, Durham, England
Civil parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 50 Rockcliffe Street Middlesboro
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 29279
Household Members:
Name Age
George Beaumont 36
Edith Beaumont 29
George Beaumont 11
Thomas Beaumont 8
Emily Beaumont 6
Edith Beaumont 4
Lilian Beaumont 2
James Fleming 38
James Fleming 6 b. North Ormesby