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BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 12 Feb 2013 11:48

Marriage ??


Marriages Dec 1874
Baker Margaret Darlington 10a 75
Leeming John Darlington 10a 75
>>>Pattison Mary Darlington 10a 75
>>>WELCH Thomas Darlington10a 75
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1881 census ???? Down as Welsh

1881 England Census 1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Welsh
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Welsh
Gender: Male
Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bishop Auckland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Newton Cap Terr
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Marine Stores Genl Shop

Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4913
Folio: 65
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Welsh 28 head-----Scarborough, Yorkshire
Mary Welsh 25--wife ----Stockton, Durham
Ellen Welsh 14 --Hartlepool, Durham
John Welsh 12 ----Hartlepool, Durham

Margaret Welsh 3 --Hartlepool, Durham
Christiana Welsh 1 ---Hartlepool, Durham


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4913; Folio: 65; Page: 29; GSU roll: 1342182.


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On Ancestry a tree ( is it yours Peter ?) Has Mary's Parents as --

Thomas Pattison 1827-1905 and Bridget Melody 1835-

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It also has Thomas married before Mary to Jane Magee with children

Mary Ann Welch --b1864
Thomas b1865
Ellen 1866
John1869


Then it looks as if Thomas went on to have a further 9 children with Mary

Barbara x

No nearer to finding A. Smith though :-(

Dea

Dea Report 12 Feb 2013 10:28

You are right Catherine - thank you.

It could not be the correct one then if Mary was still alive in 1901!

Dea x

Catherine

Catherine Report 12 Feb 2013 09:44

Dea, I think this is your family in 1901:-

1901 England Census about Mary Lawson
Name: Mary Lawson
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Lawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 4789
Folio: 131
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
James Lawson 48
Mary Lawson 45
Peter Welsh 14 - born: Scotland
James Welsh 13 - born: Scotland
John Lawson 13 -
Edward Welsh 12
Annie Welsh 8
Andrew Lawson 7

..............Mary remarried to James Lawson.

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 09:31

Peter

Who were Mary's parents?

Those are the details needed to start looking for her cousin....................

Find their names..............look for siblings...........find who the siblings married. If one of them married Smith........look for offspring of that marriage

You can do this yourself using freebmd - IF they lived etc in England

You haven't even said where Mary was born...........her place of death is of no real help in this quest.

NOR have you said how old she was when she died..............enlighten us, please.


Dea

Dea Report 12 Feb 2013 09:20

I was looking at this family to fit the death cert??

Can you please confirm which we should be looking at Peter?

1891 census transcription details for: 56, Parliament Street, Linthorpe, Middlesbrough
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4014
Folio: 48
Page: 9
Reg. District: Middlesbrough
Sub District: Middlesbrough
Parish: Linthorpe
Enum. District: 65
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough: Middlesbrough
Address: 56, Parliament Street, Linthorpe, Middlesbrough
County: Yorkshire (North Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WELSH, James Head Married M 33 1858 Steel Smelter
Selby, Yorkshire
WELSH, Mary Wife Married F 35 1856
Carlisle, Cumberland
WELSH, Peter B Son M 4 1887
Scotland
WELSH, James ? Son M 3 1888
Scotland


Dea x

P.S. - If it IS this family - the marriage could have taken place in Scotland as the children were born there.

Dea x

Catherine

Catherine Report 12 Feb 2013 09:17

How sure are you of your information?

I could only find 2 possible marriages for a Welch to a female Pattison:-

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Goodwill Christiana Thirsk 9d 704
Pattison Henrietta Thirsk 9d 704
SIDDLE Joseph Thirsk 9d 704
Welch Arthur Thirsk 9d 704
and
Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
Eland Henry Durham 10a 479
Lamb Eleanor Durham 10a 479
Pattison Elizabeth Durham 10a 479
WELCH David Durham 10a 479

and I couldn't see any Mary Welch born abt. 1856 living in Middlesbrough?

However, I did find this, which would fit with the death record found by Dea:-

1881 England Census about Mary Welsh
Name: Mary Welsh
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Boarder Wife (Boarder's Wife)
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesbro, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 33 Albert St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4848
Folio: 51
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Welsh 24 born: Ferryhill, Durham
Mary Welsh 23
Joseph Welsh 2
Helen Welsh

.................is this the family?

Dea

Dea Report 12 Feb 2013 08:13

I can't see her death registration unless it is this one (spelt WELSH) ??

Deaths Dec 1897
Welsh Mary 41 Middlesbro' 9d 353

Dea x

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 12 Feb 2013 00:37

How old was she at death?

What was the address of the informant?

Does it give the name of her husband, Mr Welch?

A death cert doesn't usually give the maiden name of a married woman - so how do you know it was Pattison?

Peter

Peter Report 11 Feb 2013 23:34

She was the step mother of my gggg grandmother ... and I suspected so! But still, thankyou for the help!

Peter

Reggie

Reggie Report 11 Feb 2013 23:29

You'll have to research Mary Pattison's family....................

If the informant was a FIRST cousin (and you've no way of knowing).......one of his or her parents must have been a sibling to one of Mary's parents.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Feb 2013 23:21

Peter, I can only suggest you trawl through all the Smiths in Middlesbrough. Sorry.

There are no Smiths at that address in 1901.

You say "step" ancestor - who was she "step" to?

Peter

Peter Report 11 Feb 2013 23:01

OK, so this a very unusal request, even by my standards.

A death certificate has just been shared with me of my STEP ancestor Mary Welch - she died on 12 November 1897 at 143 Duncombe Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.

Her informant was:

A. Smith
Cousin
Present at the death
29 Nile Street, Middlesbrough

Mary's maiden name was Pattison, and I am wanting to find out who her informant is.

Can you help?!

Peter