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Ella Collinson and Charles Van Notten-Pole

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Anthony

Anthony Report 14 Feb 2013 13:14

Wow thank you all.

You are so good at this. But what are you doing giving me yet another marriage which doesn't seem to tie up at all?
The Charles VNP you quote is obviously from the right area. (she lived in Dorset but her sister married in1904 at Ifracombe only a couple of miles from Combe Martin where Charles VNP lived (and I have no other reason for her marrying so far away from her home or her future husbands home or family, none of which were in North Devon) .
However, although I have a note saying she married him in 1903 it doesn't seem to tie up with his age or his status on your census quotes.

I don't know what to make of Mr Paulet although the dates are possible.

Gins

Gins Report 14 Feb 2013 13:10

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Charles Van Notten Pole
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 May 1829
Father's Name: Charles Richard Pole
Mother's Name: Anne Eliza Pole
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Gins

Gins Report 14 Feb 2013 13:05

I thought that too Shirley!

But he was pretty wealthy ;-)

Stuart

Stuart Report 14 Feb 2013 13:04

Doesn't help, but got to be a relative!!

Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: POLE, Edward Clitherow Van N
Registration district: Wirral
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 871
MarriageFinder: Edward Clitherow Van N Pole married one of the following people:

WARD, Elizabeth Elinor
VAN NOTIEN-POLE, Edward C (aka)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Feb 2013 13:01

Would a 21 year old marry a 70,s plus man seems a bit out somehow .

Gins

Gins Report 14 Feb 2013 13:01

£15019 0s 9d to Edward Clitheroe Van Notton Pole


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Charles Van Notten Pole
Probate Date: 13 May 1909
Death Date: 15 Apr 1909
Death Place: Devon, England
Registry: London, England


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Edward Clitherow Van Notten Pole
Probate Date: 22 Jun 1922
Death Date: 6 Apr 1922
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England



Stuart

Stuart Report 14 Feb 2013 12:30

1881 census transcription details for: 3, Greenhill Bank, St Cuthberts

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 6855
Folio: 116
Page: 15
Reg. District: Newington
Sub District:
Parish: St Cuthberts
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Greenhill Bank, St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
POLE, Charles Van Notlen Head Married M 52 1829 Lt Col North British Staff London
POLE, Mari Antoinette Wife Married F 40 1841 England
BLUE, Dora Servant Unmarried F 22 1859 General Domestic Serv Edinburgh

Stuart

Stuart Report 14 Feb 2013 12:18

??Another marriage??
Civil Registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Ella C Van N Pole married Harold V Paulet
Name: POLE, Ella C Van N
Registration district: Paddington
County: London
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Paulet
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 215

Stuart

Stuart Report 14 Feb 2013 12:16

1901 census transcription details for: Buzzacott, Combe Martin

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2147
Folio: 32
Page: 21
Reg. District: Barnstaple
Sub District: Combmartin
Parish: Combe Martin
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Combe Martin St Peter
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Buzzacott, Combe Martin
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
POLE, Van Notten Head Widower M 77 1824 Major General Marylebone, London
WAY, Annie Servant Single F 26 1875 Cook Domestic Chard, Somersetshire
DUNSFORD, Mary Servant Single F 26 1875 Parlour Maid Domestic Combe Martin, Devonshire

Stuart

Stuart Report 14 Feb 2013 12:16

1901 census transcription details for: Buzzacott, Combe Martin

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2147
Folio: 32
Page: 21
Reg. District: Barnstaple
Sub District: Combmartin
Parish: Combe Martin
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Combe Martin St Peter
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Buzzacott, Combe Martin
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
POLE, Van Notten Head Widower M 77 1824 Major General Marylebone, London
WAY, Annie Servant Single F 26 1875 Cook Domestic Chard, Somersetshire
DUNSFORD, Mary Servant Single F 26 1875 Parlour Maid Domestic Combe Martin, Devonshire

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Feb 2013 12:13

mum Lucy is visiting Dorset in 1911

1911 census transcription details for: Woodleaze Wimborne Dorset

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN12259 RG78PN693 RD260 SD2 ED15 SN168
Reg. District: Wimborne
Sub District: Wimborne
Parish: Colehill
Enum. District: 15
Address: Woodleaze Wimborne Dorset
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GLYN, Carr Stuart Head Married
46 years M 73 1838 Retired Army Captain T P Bank District And County Alderman Withampton Dorset
GLYN, Selina Catherine Wife Married
46 years F 66 1845 Woolwich
GLYN, Augusta Julia Carr Daughter Single F 44 1867 Chichester Sussex

COLLINSON, Lucy Margaret Visitor Married
31 years F 57 1854 London 3 children born

BERNARD, Caroline Emma Visitor Single F 63 1848 Harrow on the Hill
BALL, Thirza Servant Single F 29 1882 Cook Domestic Aberdore
ELLIS, Beatrice Servant Single F 45 1866 Lady's Maid Domestic Child Okeford Dorset
GREENLANDS, Jessie Servant Single F 34 1877 Housemaid Domestic London
STEVENS, Constance Servant Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic Bath
GIBBON, Mabel Servant Single F 19 1892 Kitchen Maid Domestic Bath
LANE, Robert Servant Single M 17 1894 Footman Domestic Sydling Dorset

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Feb 2013 12:07

Births Sep 1882
Collinson Ella Cleather Dorchester 5a 349

still unmarried in 1901

Name: Ella C Collinson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward W Collinson
Mother's Name: Lucy M Collinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodsford, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Ilfracombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ilfracombe
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Barnstaple
Sub-registration district: Ilfracombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 2149
Folio: 158
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward W Collinson 49 occ Church of England clergyman !!!!!
Lucy M Collinson 47
Ella C Collinson 18
Elizabeth Gutteridge 26
Emma Leworthy 3
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2149; Folio: 158; Page: 19.

Stuart

Stuart Report 14 Feb 2013 12:00

Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: POLE, Charles Van Notten
Registration district: Barnstaple
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1909
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 80
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 271

Anthony

Anthony Report 14 Feb 2013 11:59

Hi
I'm new to this site and trying to find out how it works. Most impressed at the speed of your replies!
Ella Cleather Collinson was born in Dorset Sept 1882, 5a349
Supposedly married Charles Van Notten Pole (but I can't find any details or proof)
She then married a person called Bacon (no divorce/death or other details known)
She then married William Guy St B Barker in Dec 1922 St George Sq ref 1a993 but no divorce or death is known.
Your reply shows me I got the christian name wrong but did she marry as a Bacon or a Barker? i thought it was as an Ella Bacon hence my thoughts about her marrying a second time.
My information on her first marriage is non-existant except for a scrawled note from my grandmotther saying her first husband was a Van Notten Pole.

Help please



Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 14 Feb 2013 11:59

1871 England Census
about Van N Pole
Name: Van N Pole
[Charles Van Notten Pole]
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 188
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Carrier 59
Thomas W Carrier 28
Emily S Cuckow 26
Catherine E Carrier 23
George Britton 71
Clara Greengrass 3
Van N Pole 42 MAJOR UNATTACHED*********
Marie A Pole 30 Wife born Colchester Essex



Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 14 Feb 2013 11:55

1891 England Census
about Charles Van Norter Pole
Name: Charles Van Norter Pole
[Charles Van Notten Pole]
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie Antoniette Pole
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Combe Martin
Ecclesiastical parish: Combe Martin
Town: Barnstaple
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barnstable
Sub-registration district: Combe Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1776
Folio: 71
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Van Norter Pole 62
Marie Antoniette Pole 48
Jane Harwood 24
Elizabeth Garter 22
Richard Seldon Warren 20


Mary

Mary Report 14 Feb 2013 11:54

Ella Cleather Collinson born @ 1882 Dorset.

Ella Cleather Barker wife of William Guy St Barbe Barker died 4/12/1941 in Buckinghamshire probat £9090 1s 10d

So the marriage posted is correct in 1922.

Maryb

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Feb 2013 11:48

Can you give the details of the marriages you have found as not tying anything up so far.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Feb 2013 11:38

Is this her ??

Marriages Dec 1922
Bacon Ella C Barker St.Geo.H Sq 1a 993
Barker William G S Bacon St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 99


not a John tho ????

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Feb 2013 11:37

Hi Anthony and welcome to the boards.

When and where were this couple people born?