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Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 13:34

I'm getting confused!

Your first post says that Thomas Burke married Mary Louisa Frances Tennes in 1849 but both Isle of Wight records and FreeBMD show her name as Maria Timmichi/Tinnuchi.

The 1870 marriage record in London gives the name Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi.

Surey 2 sisters wouldn't be named Mary Louisa F. and Maria Louisa F?

Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 12:22

The Mary A in 1871 has a POB of Fernsoch, Nairn or Ross-shire. Looks as if Mary b Edinburgh has died and Thomas remarried?

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Feb 2013 11:41

The Mary L F Tinnuche was another sister born in France c1852. She married John Joyce Homewood. A confusing family to say the least...I believe the 1861 census says she was born Frognal not France!

So Bartolemy was born IOW 1847 and Maria Louisa Frognal (near Hampstead) in 1852

Also, Janet/Jessie is shown as Head in 1861 but not widowed?

Jude

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 09:31

Margee
The Mary L F Tinnuche was another sister born in France c1852. She married John Joyce Homewood. A confusing family to say the least
Alan

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 09:26

Hi Jude [HeyJudeB4Beatles]

I have a copy of Mary's baptismal entry which took place in Edingburgh.
Alan

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 09:20

Margee
Re your question as to names. The whole thing is a conumdrem. Joseph Tinnis married Janet Riva in Scotland and had 3 children. Joseph Tinnis Mary Tennes and Paul Tinnis. They moved to Northumberland where Matthew Tinnis was born. He died using the surname Tinnucci. They then moved to Dover where Angelina was born with the same surname. Moving to the Isle of Wight my Great Grand Father was born but the registered surname was Tinichea but he was married using the surname Tennuci and used that throughout his life. On the IoW the surnames Tinnis Tennes, Tinichea and Tennuci were used on various documentation

The key person to all of this is the mother Jesse Riva aka Janet. On all documentaion apart from Census records her surname is used. On the 1841 census in Dover they are recorded as FINNIS but this is a bad transcription.
There are infact approx 29 variations of the surname.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Feb 2013 08:55

British nationals armed forces births (Find My Past website)
1761-2005


Name: BURKE, William
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:49th Foot
Place : Barbados
Country: West Indies
Year: 1860
Volume : 961
Page: 27
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


(do you have above Certificate?, would be interesting to see Maiden name of Mother)

Chris :)


Name: BURKE, James
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:49th Foot
Place : Deesa
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1866
Volume : 960
Page: 10
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


Name: BURKE, Kenneth
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:49th Foot
Place : Deesa
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1868
Volume : 960
Page: 21
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


edits (also, obtaining one of above, would possibly help trace Army Records, if Regiment Number given)


patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2013 08:46

Just putting the free bmd entry that Margee found, as having difficulty tracking the families (but could be totally unrelated)
Marriages Sep 1870
BEHR Teodor Strand 1b 815
CROSSLEY Zillah Strand 1b 815
Homewood John Joyce Strand 1b 815
Tinnuchi Maria Louisa F Strand 1b 815

This looks like Teodor
1871 England Census
Theodore Behr Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Behr
Mother's Name: Katharina Zahringer (No, probaby sister)
Gender: Male Where born: Russia
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 555
Folio: 57 Page Number: 1
Theodore Behr 22
Matilda Behr 19
John Zahringer 4
Katharina Zahringer 24
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 555; Folio: 57; Page: 1; GSU roll: 823397.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Feb 2013 07:40

In 1849 0n the Isle of Wight Thomas Burke born c1829 Ireland marrried Mary Louisa Frances Tennes born 1st July 1833 Edinburgh. Thomas was in the Army and was based at Parkhurst Barracks on the IOW.

How have you come by their places of birth please?

Jude

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 01:02

Who is this one then?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi Name: Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1870
Registration district: Strand
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 815 (click to see others on page)


Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 00:57

I don't understand why someone would be baptised as Tennes but married as Tinuche/ Timmuchi/Tinnuchi?

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 00:38

Thomas did marry Mary Tinnuche [correct spelling] although she was baptised as Tennes. I will evaluate the above. Many thanks for your advice and research
Alan

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Feb 2013 00:32

Puzzled as to why the poster says the Scottish census is not on Ancestry.

The transcriptions are for 1841 to 1901 but not the images. You need Scotlandspeople for the images

Margee

Margee Report 15 Feb 2013 23:36

Thanks, Anne, I was beginning to think nobody had read my post!

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Feb 2013 22:33

I cannot find any marriage of a Thomas Burke to the lady you mention.

In fact I can find no record at all of a Mary Louisa Frances Tennet.

You will need the birth certificate of a relevant child to determine the mother's maiden name. Do you have that? You have to work backwards from what you know if you are to research properly.

Margaret

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 22:21

It would appear so!
I think Margee may have identified the correct couple who married in 1849 Isle of Wight

Mary

Mary Report 15 Feb 2013 22:18

So it would seem that Alan is looking for a completely different family?

Maryb.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 22:12

Thomas Burk
groom's birth date
groom's birthplace
groom's age
bride's nameMary Ann Mcdonald
bride's birth date
bride's birthplace
bride's age
marriage date24 Sep 1855
marriage placeEdinburgh

parentThomas Burke, Mary Anne Mc Donald

nameBridget Jane Burke
genderFemale
baptism/christening date
baptism/christening place
birth date30 Nov 1874
birthplaceOLD DEER,ABERDEEN,SCOTLAND
death date
name note
race
father's nameThomas Burke
father's birthplace
father's age
mother's nameMary Anne Mc Donald

Mary

Mary Report 15 Feb 2013 22:06

Thomas and Mary Ann had bridget jane burke in 1875 Old Deer Aberdeen,a tree on Ancestry has her and it staes her parents were thomas Burke and Mary Ann Mcdonald!!

Maryb.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 22:01

Am I off track?
Re the 1871 census in Aberdeen
This couple are not old enough to have married in 1833?
EDIT: Misread Alan's original post, sayys married 1849.
Mary A Burke was born in Rosshire circa 1837
She is found on censuses right up until 1901 where her pob remains the same

1861 England Census
about Thomas Burke
Name: Thomas Burke
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Burke
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: Foot Regiment 49th, East Block and Permanent Barracks Aldershot
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 431
Folio: 39
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burke 32
Mary Burke 26
Thomas Burke 4
William Burke 1

1881 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Burke
Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas Burke
Gender: Female
Where born: Ferntosch, Rossshire
Registration number: 147
Registration district: Banff
Civil parish: Gamrie
County: Banffshire
Address: 21 Gellymill St.
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 130
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_43
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burke 40
Mary Ann Burke 44
James Burke 15
Kenneth Burke 13
Alexander D F Burke 11
Bridget J Burke 6

1891 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Burke
Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas Burke
Gender: Female
Where born: Ferntoch, Nairnshire
Registration number: 155A/2
Registration district: Macduff
Civil parish: Gamrie
Town: Macduff
County: Banffshire
Address: 14 Institution St
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 189
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_44
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burke 62
Mary Ann Burke 52
Bridget Jane Burke 16
William Kenneth Burke 3

1901 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Burke
Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Ferntosh, Rosshire
Registration number: 274
Registration district: Barry
Civil parish: Barry
County: Angus
Address: Green Lane Struan Bral
Occupation: Housekeeper
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 129
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1901_87
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Bremner 65
Robert Bremner 41
Margaret Bremner 35
Christina A Bremner 7
Margaret Maclellan 73
John Maclellan 36
Katherine Maclellan 31
Mary Ann Burke 64
William K Burke 13* same child as 1891
E M Wilson 74