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Gilbert Littlejones

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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Feb 2013 16:19

Name: Millicent J Stewart
Birth Date: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1932
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 430


Name: Edward A H Stewart
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 1187


Looks like Edward re-married after Millicent died.


Name: Edward A H Stewart
Spouse Surname: Anderson, Rosaleen
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1936
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 1934

Possible marriage for Penelope?

Name: Penelope Arabella Stewart
Spouse's Name: Albert Victor Grace
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1940
Marriage Place: Georgetown, Guyana


Name: Penelope A Grace
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1948
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 643


Name: Penelope Arabella Grace
Probate Date: 3 Jan 1949
Death Date: 9 Dec 1948
Death Place: Sussex, England
Registry: London, England

Probate granted to her husband Albert Victor Grace a retired police officer. Effects £2,908. 18s. 6d.


Deaths Dec 1956 GRACE Albert V 73 Worthing 5h 716



Name: Albert Victor Grace
Probate Date: 15 Feb 1957
Death Date: 11 Dec 1956
Death Place: Sussex, England
Registry: London, England

Probate to Barclays Bank - so looks like no children?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Feb 2013 15:58

Gillian, I still think that Penelope is the child of Edward and Millicent and was only being taken care of by Eliza (as you say for extra income). The birth for PEnelope registered in 1901 ties in with the timescale of her being 10 weeks old at the time of the census. Given that neither Edward nor Milicent can be seen on the 1901 census, it looks like they fostered out their daughter (they would seem to have the financial wherewithall) and reclaimed her when they married and settled. I also think that the 1901 birth registration is the actaul birth registration and that her birth wasn't re-registered.

Gillian

Gillian Report 17 Feb 2013 12:47

Margee. I'm still confused about Gilbert Little Jones's border crossing in April 1910. I accept that he arrived on the SS Mt Eagle in 1909 and lived in Chicago between 1909 and 1910.

However, in the border crossing post, in April 1910, he appears to be heading for Chicago from Canada, and his previous permanent residence is listed as Blucher, Saskatchewan. His country of residence is Canada. Maybe his home was in Canada, but he travelled to Chicago for work. Are they close enough together for that to be feasible?

He certainly seems to have been a quick worker. He arrived in Quebec in 1909, set up residence in Blucher, Canada, then went to work and lodge in Chicago, US, marrying Hilma there a year later. Then, some time during the next 20 years, after all that effort, Gilbert dies. That works in my head, but I'm not sure how true it is!

Gillian

Gillian Report 17 Feb 2013 11:43

jax. I'm not sure if this is a repeat message, because I typed a message to you, then looked at the previous page before continuing, and found that what I'd typed had disappeared. All I wanted to say was, maybe Gilbert's mother was fostering the child because she was a widow in 1901, with three children, and fostering might have been extra income.

rootgatherer. I have thought some more about Penelope Jones being the daughter of Edward Arthur Hamilton Stewart and Millicent Jane Court. Penelope was born in Bath in January 1901. Edward and Millicent married in Cardiff in December 1902, when Penelope was nearly 2. That sounds unconventional for the time, especially as Edward and Millicent appear to be from quality families. Is it possible that Penelope was adopted by the couple, and her birth record was altered? If so, how would I find the original birth record?, or her adoption certificate?

jax

jax Report 17 Feb 2013 00:16

Gillian

Whoever this child belonged to she probably had nothing to do with Gilbert. The surname may not have even been given but the enumerator just put down Jones.

Children/babies were quite often fostered out to older people as they were the ones who did'nt have half a dozen plus children already to care for.

Gillian

Gillian Report 16 Feb 2013 23:57

Thanks Jax, choccy and rootgatherer.

jax. Sarah Bolwell is boarding with the family, but it's a big coincidence that Gilbert's mother's maiden name is Bolwell. Oh, I've got it. I'd forgotten about that part of the tree. She was Gilbert's mother's cousin.

With regard to Penelope, that's interesting. I thought nurse child meant that the child was young and nursing, not that she was fostered. She could be the Penelope that rootgatherer has posted about.

choccy. Thanks for making me look again. As I've just said to jax, I have found Sarah now.

rootgatherer. I don't know what to say about Penelope Jones being the child of Edward and Millicent Stewart. It certainly fits, but I don't know why the parents would foster out their baby to Eliza. Eliza was 52, so she wouldn't be wet nursing her. It's nearly midnight, and I can't think properly. I will give this some more thought tomorrow, but I'm not yet convinced about Penelope's parentage.

Thank you all so much for your help.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Feb 2013 22:32

Not seeing either Edward or Millicent in 1901 but both are on the 1891 census. Looks like Millicent came from a fairly well of family as she was a University student in 1891 and her father a Town Surveyor.


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Feb 2013 22:19

This is the only Penelope birth that would fit with the child on the census.

Births Mar 1901 Stewart Penelope Arabella Bath 5c 506


Here she is in 1911

Name: Penelope Arabella Stewart
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Andrews
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Mezal Tor, Pencoedtre, Cadoxton Near Cardiff
Occupation: School
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 251
Piece: 32198
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Arthur Hamilton Stewart 47 Financier, Employer, b. Sussex
Millicent Jane Stewart 39 b. Married 11 years, 2 children
Edward John Stewart 7
Penelope Arabella Stewart 10
Eva Chalmers 22 cook
Ellen Collins 16 housemaid


Not actually married 11 years?

Marriages Dec 1902
Court Millicent Jane Cardiff 11a 509 <<<<<<<<<<
Gerhold Mabel Cardiff 11a 509
Stewart Edward Arthur H Cardiff 11a 509 <<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Edward Cardiff 11a 509

Choccy

Choccy Report 16 Feb 2013 22:04



I assumed Sarah Bolwell was Eliza's sister ? She is said to be single.


jax

jax Report 16 Feb 2013 22:02

Sarah Bolwell is just says a boarder...living on her own means

penelope Jones...may not be any relation at all if listed as nurse child (foster)

Gillian

Gillian Report 16 Feb 2013 21:49

Thank you, Choccy. I looked for the family in the 1901 census, but couldn't find them. Now I realize that I was looking for the father of the family, John Littlejones, and he was dead. I might have found Eliza, except she'd shortened her name from Littlejones to Jones. I don't know why she did that. I have her bible, which she signed in 1915 as Eliza Littlejones. Maybe she was just being bolshy in 1901!

Another surprise is Penelope (Little)Jones, aged 10 weeks. She can't be Elsie's or Florence's. At a pinch, she might be Eliza's, but Eliza's 52 and a widow. The only other choice is Gilbert, aged 17, which might explain why he hightailed it to Canada under a cloud. Well, well, well.

My last surprise from that entry is Sarah Bolwell, aged 65. She's not on my family tree yet, so she must be married to one of Eliza's brothers.

Thanks for giving me so much to chew on!

Gillian

Gillian Report 16 Feb 2013 21:12

Thank you rootgatherer and Margee.

rootgatherer. I'm not used to seeing records like that. Is the record saying that Hilma arrived in Winnipeg in April 1910 from the US? From Margee's record, she married Gilbert in March 1910 and they lived in Chicago. I've just created a picture in my head of Gilbert and Hilma honeymooning in Canada!

Margee. Thanks for the marriage notice. Since Gilbert and Hilma were married on 1 March 1910, I guess they weren't honeymooning when Hilma entered Canada in April 1910!

I'm sorry to see that Hilma was widowed by 1930. I feel quite devastated, having just discovered Gilbert, then finding out he died so young. And you've dashed my hopes of relatives in America, since he appears not to have had any children!

Once again, thanks both for your efforts. I'm thrilled to have all this information

Choccy

Choccy Report 16 Feb 2013 20:57



here he is with the rest of the family in 1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 2342
Folio: 57
Page: 17
Reg. District: Bath
Sub District: Walcot
Parish: Bath
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: St Saviour
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 14, Otago Terrace, Bath
County: Somersetshire


JONES, Eliza Head Widow F 52 1849
Bath, Somersetshire
>>>>JONES, Gilbert Son Single M 17 1884
Bath, Somersetshire
JONES, Florance Daughter Single F 11 1890
Bath, Somersetshire
JONES, Elsie Daughter F 9 1892
Bath, Somersetshire
JONES, Penelope Nurse Child F 0 (10W) 1901
Bath, Somersetshire
BOLWELL, Sarah Boarder Single F 66 1835 Living On Own Means
Bath, Somersetshire

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 20:30

Hi Gillian, I think the 1900 arrival was just a mistake, it was very hard to read and I suspect it was supposed to be 1909.

Sorry, my mistake, on the second posting, the 1910 census I gave the address but neglected to say it was in Chicago, Illinois.

I posted the marriage. her name was Helma?Hilma Lura Anderson. She was born in USA but her parents were born in Sweden. I didn't see any records of children of the marriage.

Gillian

Gillian Report 16 Feb 2013 20:25

Many thanks to AnnCardiff and Margee for your prompt replies.

AnnCardiff. Thanks for the information. I don't know if Francis Littlejones in the US is connected to my Littlejones family in the UK. My Littlejones tree only goes back to the birth of John Littlejones, Gilbert's grandfather, in Bath, UK in 1832.

Margee. You could have knocked me down with a feather when I got your reply. The family has been wondering what happened to Gilbert for over 100 years! Thank you so much. From the information you have sent, I gather that Gilbert arrived in Quebec, Canada in 1900. It's a bit confusing after that. He was crossing the border from Canada to the US in April 1910, but he'd been in Illinois from 1909-10., and his last permanent residence was Saskatchewan. I'm not getting that bit.

In the second record you kindly sent, Gilbert is in the US (I don't know where), having emigrated from England in 1909. But he'd arrived in Quebec in 1900. Unless it means that Gilbert emigrated from Canada. Is that the case, do you know?

I'm very interested to see that he married a 36-year old lady with the initial H. How can I find out her name, and whether they had children? I might have relations in the US!

My thanks, once again, to everyone for their help

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 20:14

Possible death of Gilbert?

Cook County, Illinois Death Index, 1908-1988
about Gilbert Jones Name: Gilbert Jones
Death Date: 15 Dec 1923
Death Location: Cook County, IL
File Number: 6032093
Archive Collection Name: Cook County Genealogy Records (Deaths)
Archive repository location: Chicago, IL
Archive repository name: Cook County Clerk

Edit: Guess not, another record has this with wrong parents:

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
about Gilbert Jones Name: Gilbert Jones
Birth Date: abt 1901
Death Date: 15 Dec 1923
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Death Age: 22
Gender: Male
Father Name: James B. Jones
Mother Name: Sophia Duars
Spouse Name: Louise Jones
FHL Film Number: 1877423




Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 20:02

Hilma seems to be widowed in 1930:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Hilma Jones Name: Hilma Jones
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Illinois
Race: White
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
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Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Housekeeper
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden

Household Members: Name Age
John Severin 57
Hilma Jones 55



Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 19:50

Cook County, Illinois, Marriages Index, 1871-1920
about Gilbert Little Jones Name: Gilbert Little Jones
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1883
Marriage Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1 Mar 1910
Marriage Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse Name: Helma Lura Anderson
Spouse Age: 35
Spouse Gender: Female
FHL Film Number: 1030474


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Feb 2013 19:39

The above man is married and list below him is Hilma Livia Jones aged 35 years (also listed as married)

Name: Hilma Livia Jones
Arrival Date: Apr 1910
Port of Arrival: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Residence Country: Canada
Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1875
Birth Country: USA
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 3

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 19:34

1910 US census has a G.L. Jones born 1883, England, emigrated 1909. He's 27, a lodger, has a wife H.L. Jones, aged 36, born USA. He's a machinist. Address is North Clark? St. That street name is very hard to read on both the passenger list and census.