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This was Martin in 1891. Original says born Limerick and that he was a fireman.

The ship name is not easy to read but looks like the SS Hiursby (not sure of first three letters) of Fleetwood

EDIT... Now sure, after Googling, it's the SS Thursby of Fleetwood

Photo of the Thursby at Preston docks c1907

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rpsmithbarney/5794546671/

Would there be any reports in The Liverpool Mercury.

Maryb.

Good morning :-)

Just had a look at the cert - Elizabeth looks to be a 'Murphy' !

Dea x

No, I don't come across this all the time - some families are easy to find - plus I dont't do this during the week as I have no internet access staying in the middle of nowhere! Even my dongle doesn't work!

If you want to know why and what Martin died from I think you may need the DC - doesn't look so sinister (as you say) that it made the news! He may have just got flu, who knows, but then again he may have jumped into the canal after Sarah had left him. Sorry, probably not as that may have made the news!

Yes Flip, I deciphered it as Robert Caffery. Unsure about the Elizabeth though.

have spent ages googling for Martin's death to see if antyhing came up on the Leinster ship - but nothing so far. I guess if it had been that 'sinister' it would have sprung up? We'll have to get the DC for him.

They're definitely a problematic family, but guess you're dealing with this kind much of the time.

Goodnight one and all - sleep well!

No, Robeert was not a crew member on the SS Arago with Martin so no lead there.

I've also checked Cheshire archives and nothing about Martin's death there either. Wonder as he was military would his death be subject to a civilian inquest, I really don't know?

Send the image to Dea as well, she may have better luck with the writing.

That writing is petty poor and hard to decipher. But i think it's Rossall College, Fleetwood. As you probably know it still exists as a school, but back then was a college which also catered for military cadets.

Shame the Irish census don't exist, as it shouldn't have been too difficult to find John fahay the hotel/inn keeper. What do you make of the witnesses I think they are Robert Caffery and Elizabeth Humphrey, but again rather bad writing. Wonder if Robert was a crew member with Martin on 1881 census - I'll check the image.

Dea's right, but I've sent you a PM just in case.

Oh no you don't !!!!!

Just click on her name and send a message + add an attachment !!!

Send it to me too if you like !!

Dea Xxx

Blow! that didn't work Flip. Apparently we have to have been in previous e-mail contact for your name to come up.

Yes, try sending me the marriage certificate and I'll take a look see if I can make it out.

Dea - the informant was from another site.

Mary - I'd just found that out myself thanks. The records office will be my next port of call.

Burial info for that church between 1860 -1943 are held at cheshire records office,all info on Google.

Maryb.

Informed by who please ??

I fear that this person may not have the correct info ??

Dea Xxx

Mary - I confirm it correct what Dea has stated.

Dea - Ive been informed that apparently there is no burial ground at Edward's Catholic Church. He's more than likely buried at Greenway Road Cemetery.

Flip - we've just been trying to research the Leinster ship for any clues. Makes interesting reading but sadly nothing about Martin Quinlan. Sarah's father's name was John Fahay.

We've also been researching the address on their MC, whch looks like its some college at Fleetwood (we assumed nautical college). Also it's hard to decipher the witness names. The marriage was St Mary's Catholic Church.

I could try and PM the MC to you?

He was stated as being on the ship around the time of his death some 2 weeks approx. after the census was taken.

Dea x

So Martin Quinlan is stated as being at home on 1901 census and on board ship in 1901,is that correct?

Maryb.

Oh right, that's unusual as she married under the name Bovenizer I dind't realise they also recorded previous names, orr are you talking about her first marriage certificate?

But it makes that 1875 marriage to William, and his death look likely though.

Is there any other useful info on the marriage certificate - like father's name/occupation, witnesses?

Added, just realised I'm being slow today - I guess she named her father as Fehey? so what was his christian name?

No, its definitely on Sarah's MC - I've got a copy. But then Fahey wouldl have been her maiden name before she had her first marriage to Bovenizer.

The MC was acquired by a relation of ours who forwarded us the copy.

I've already looked on LANCAT and there's nothing on him I'm afraid. Maybe you could try to find his military record on National Archives - although nothing is springing up on a general search.

Or, then again, thinking about it, his death place was Runcorn which is in Cheshire - so maybe try their archives as an inquest will not have been held in Lancashire. Hadn't thought about that earlier.

Shame the Co Clare parish records are not available on-line, you can only access them by using their researchers - no doubt at a cost.

And yes, she sounds a bit of a card, wonder if her and William Bovenizer had other children - it seems rather a long time married (1875-9) for them not to have had any. But with the parish records not available it is difficult to check for other births.

How did you come by the name Fahey for Sarah - surely it wasn't on her marriage certificate - was it on one of the children's birth certificates?