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my GGrandfather Robert Horan c1858

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Heather

Heather Report 17 Feb 2013 23:32

Can anyone help, I know nothing concrete about my relative Robert Horan c1858( born Ireland I believe,) at least that is what is stated on census from 1881 onwards. On his marriage certificate 3 March 1881 it states his residence at the time of the marriage is 4 Park Road Preston. After the marriage at St Ignatius RC Church Preston. He is on the 1881 census as living with his in laws the Finns at 50 Higginson Street Preston. The couple living at 4 Park Road are Thomas Conway 1825 occupation provisioner. Born in England & his wife Mary Conway 1835 a cook. Born in Ireland they do not appear to have any children and I wondered if Robert was related to Mary as she is from Ireland but I don't know where to go from here, anyone help please :-S Heather

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Feb 2013 23:49

I think the occupation for Thomas in 1881 is pensioner

In the Army in 1861

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 18 Feb 2013 00:03

Robert may just have been boarding with the Conways. I would imagine that there were a lot of people from Ireland in Lancashire at that time.

Kath. x

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 11:03

What info are you actually looking for?

Heather

Heather Report 18 Feb 2013 16:23

I am trying to find out if Mary Conway was related to Robert Horan (maybe aunt) but I am not sure how to find her maiden name or any way of finding out more about my g grandfather Robert. I know his father was Michael off his marriage certificate it also states he is deceased. I know his mother and sister were living with his and his wife Catherine in 1885 May. I have his sisters name from a census Mary Horan b 1863 in Ireland but cannot find his mothers name she wasn't on a census but a newspaper article tells me she was living with her son Robert in May 1885. Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be gladly received as I keep coming up against brick walls.

Mary

Mary Report 18 Feb 2013 18:10

So he was Robert Thompson Horan 1858 died carlisle 1944.
maybe his mum was a Thompson who married Michael Horan!

He carried the middle name of Thompson on through his children.

Maryb.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Feb 2013 18:27

So - he changed his name to John Thompson, is that right??
An Ancestry tree states this, and has his father as Michael Horan, is that correct?
Jan

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2013 18:41

Not Ireland, but I wonder?

Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906 about Robert Horan
Name: Robert Horan
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1856
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1856
Parish: Holy Cross
Father's Name: Michael Horan
Mother's Name: Mary Devany

..............................................

There's also a sibling called Mary?

Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906 about Maria Helena Horan
Name: Maria Helena Horan
Birth Date: 16 Sep 1858
Baptism Date: 19 Sep 1858
Parish: Holy Cross
Father's Name: Michaelis Horan
Mother's Name: Maria Devaney

Heather

Heather Report 18 Feb 2013 19:51

I had seen that one from Liverpool and did wonder myself, but why did the sister Mary and Robert both put Ireland as birth place on the census's

Heather

Heather Report 18 Feb 2013 19:54

Yes it is the same John Thompson, think it was because his wife had taken up with another man and divorce was expensive then so he changed his name and moved to Cumbria then she was free to marry again she did this under her maiden name... oh what a tangled web we weave. lol

Heather

Heather Report 18 Feb 2013 19:56

I thought occupation provisioner was like a greengrocer but I could be wrong

safc

safc Report 18 Feb 2013 20:02

????

name: Robert Horan
also known as: Kate Horan
role of individual: Prisoner
event: Prison
event date: 1909
event place: Tralee, Kerry, Ireland
residence: Causeway
age: 50
birthplace: Tralee
estimated birth year: 1859
prison: Tralee
offence: Assault
victim:
victim's address:
where convicted:
item: 3
book: 1/36/7
county: Kerry
film number: 2356921
digital folder number: 004492698
image number: 00462

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2013 21:37

1891 England Census about Thomas Conway
Name: Thomas Conway
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Conway
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Shirt and Jacket Cutter

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3230
Folio: 51
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Conway 64
Maria Conway 60 - born: Kenyon, Ireland
............................................................................

1881 England Census about Thomas Conway
Name: Thomas Conway
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Conway
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Park Road
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Provisioner
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4229
Folio: 40
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Conway 56
Mary Conway 46 - Occupation: Cook (Nd)
........................................................

1871 England Census about Thomas Conway
Name: Thomas Conway
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Conway
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 279
Piece: 4048
Folio: 145
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Conway 44 - Pensioner
Maria Conway 41 - born: Ireland
.......................................................

1861 shows Thomas was in the army:-

1861 England Census about Thomas Conway
Name: Thomas Conway
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Aldershot
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Occupation: Corporal

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys 25th Regiment, the Kings own Borderers
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 431
Folio: 101
Page Number: 9

.....................so probably stioned at some time in Ireland, where he probably met Mary/Maria?
That is probably also why he is noted as Pensioner in 1871 census.

Noted with him:-

..........................................1861 England Census about Maria Conway
Name: Maria Conway
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Kelly (original shows spouse as Thomas Conway)
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Aldershot
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Occupation: Wife of Corporal Conway

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys 25th Regiment, the Kings own Borderers
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 431
Folio: 101
Page Number: 9

So married between 1851 and 1861.
Will try and find a marriage to find Maria's maiden name.
..................................................................


Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Feb 2013 21:45

Maybe????

groom's name Thomas Conway
bride's name Mary Murphy

marriage date 13 Feb 1860
marriage place Roman Catholic,Castleisland,Kerry,Ireland

indexing project (batch) number M70086-1
system origin Ireland-ODM
source film number 941.5 D2C V.7

Heather

Heather Report 15 Mar 2013 15:33

Thanks for all your help, a good few things to follow up there especially the marriage of Thomas & Mary, will try and find out the names of witnesses they may be family names.