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Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 14:55

I have a Robert Armstrong b. 1820 Wetheral, Cumberland married to a Jane. They had several children amongst them a Jane Armstrong b. 1858 who married John Stalker. However on every census return Robert's wife Jane's place of birth is given as Scotland - no individual place. They could I suppose have married in Scotland or Cumberland - I have no way of knowing. I also failed to find Robert at home with parents as Robert |rmstrong seems quite a common name in Cumberland.

My question - is the locating of a marriage and/or establishing Robert's parents the impossible task I think it is ? Thanks for reading.

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 15:00

Have you actually looked for a possible marriage?

Or birth registrations for their offspring?

And what was the man's surname?

Was it ARMSTRONG...............or LAING?

Mark

Mark Report 18 Feb 2013 15:00

Is this them

Robert Armstrong
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage

07 Jun 1857

, St Quivox And Newton, Ayr, Scotland

spouse
Jane Clark

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 18 Feb 2013 15:05

Daughter Jane Armstrongs birth cert will give you MMN then look for the marriage, that will give you fathers details and possibly her age, then you can start looking for her with her parents

Roy

Helen

Helen Report 18 Feb 2013 15:06

1841 England Census about Robert Armstrong
Name: Robert Armstrong
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Wetheral
Hundred: Eskdale
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Wetheral
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 170
Book: 18
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Armstrong 50
Dorathy Armstrong 50
Robert Armstrong 20
Simon Armstrong 15
Joseph Armstrong 15
Thomas Armstrong 13
Ann Armstrong 8
James Armstrong 4

Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 15:07

Sorry Mark - it is Armstrong, the other was a typing error as I had been previously dealing with the Laing name.

I have looked on freebmd for a marriage of a Robert Armstrong to a Margaret 'anything' from when records began up till 1858 but unless I am blind cannot see an appropriate one.

Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 15:09

Thank you Helen - I think my eyes must be tired as I completely missed that one. Very grateful.

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Feb 2013 15:09

I thought you said his wife was JANE

And it wasn't MARK who queried the surname

Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 15:11

Mark - it could well be the correct marriage but as she failed to give even an area on census returns, I really don't know. I am noting it in case it is the right one. For future generations Imust remember to be precise when I fill in my own census returns !!

Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 15:15

Reggie - I think I must pack up for the day - I can't even think straight anymore - Robert Armstrong (not Laing) married JANE not Margaret. Sorry to have made such a hash of this.

Potty

Potty Report 18 Feb 2013 15:24

Have you looked at the 1891 census for Robert and Jane - gives a bit more detail about her POB:

1891 England Census
about Jane Armstrong
Name: Jane Armstrong
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Armstrong
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Scotland

Civil parish: Wetheral
Ecclesiastical parish: Wetheral
Town: Wetheral
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Wetheral
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4284
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Armstrong 71
Jane Armstrong 70


Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 15:31

Thank you Potty. I had given up hope of finding where she came from.

To Mark - thanks for finding that marriage but it can't be the right one as I have checked and their eldest child was born 1846. Robert is still single age 20 and living at home on 1841 census so the marriage must have taken place around 1841-1846. Thanks for trying.

Potty

Potty Report 18 Feb 2013 15:31

Jane appears to be away in 1881:

1881 England Census
about Robert Armstrong
Name: Robert Armstrong
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Wetheral, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Wetheral
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Warwick Bridge
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cotton Operative (Manuf)

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Wetheral
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5153
Folio: 83
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Armstrong 61
Joseph Armstrong 31
Jane Armstrong 24


Potty

Potty Report 18 Feb 2013 15:39

What about this marriage:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKYV-BMV
groom's name: Robert Armstrong
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Jane Duncan
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 13 Oct 1844
marriage place: Wetheral,Cumberland,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M05966-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 90675, 90676
reference number:
Collection: Robert Armstrong, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "

Mary

Mary Report 18 Feb 2013 15:41

Robert and Jane married prior to their 1st daughter Sarah Ann born 1845 Carlisle Cumberland
Dorothy born 1848 Dalston Cumberland
Joseph born 1850 Hayton Cumberland
Agnes 1852

Robert andJane Duncan o rJane Wreay married O/N/D 1844 Carlisle??

Maryb.

Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 15:44

Gosh Potty, that could well be it ! I wonder whether Jane's family did all move from Glasgow to Cumberland - food for thought. I will have a quick check and see if I can see Jane Duncan living near Robert in 1841. Thanks again.

Potty

Potty Report 18 Feb 2013 15:47

Possible for Jane in 1841 - allowing for accents!!:

1841 England Census
about Jane Donkin
Name: Jane Donkin
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Wetheral
Hundred: Eskdale
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Wetheral
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 170
Book: 18
Folio: 10
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Rae 35
Jane Donkin 20


Mary

Mary Report 18 Feb 2013 16:06

Robert and Jane had Mary elizabeth Armstrong 1855 i n Glasgow scotland.
A Mary Elizabeth Armstrong 1855 Bridgetown glasgow married Thomas Brodie a cotton dyer they had John Lamb Brodie in Wetheral carlisle 1879 who became a reverand died in canada 1921.
.
Robert joseph 1884 Warwick Bridge

1881 census they are in wetheral D7 > 4

I think this is Robert and Jane's daughter.Maybe they were visiting mum Janes parents in 1855 when Mary Elizabeth was born .

Maryb

Mary

Mary Report 18 Feb 2013 17:20

I think this confirms mary e Armstrong marrying thomas brodie 1878.

1901 John and Jane Stalker have nephew Joseph G Armstrong with them.

1911 Joseph G Armstrong with Margaret Steel nee Brodie
Thomas Brodie 1854 Wetheral.
Mary E Brodie (Armstrong) born 1855 Bridgetown (Bridgeton)Glasgow.

Maryb.

Margaret

Margaret Report 18 Feb 2013 20:11

Mary - thank you so so much. I had both those census returns. . where did you find the info regarding Robert and Jane having a daughter Mary E in 1855 ? And we still do not positively know the surname of Jane that Robert married. What has made this even more difficult for me is that there are 2 separate Armstrong families on this side of the tree and both use Jane and Mary amongst their childrens names - it doesn't help !!