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edith ellen crook help please

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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:50

Cane - that is her in 1911 and it's her sister she's staying with:

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: William Gaymond
Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 14 Nov 1896
Parish: Ancoats, St Jude
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Jude
Father's Name: James Gaymond
Spouse's Name: Mary Elizabeth Crook
Spouse's Father's Name: Joshua Crook
Reference Number: GB127.M299/1/2/4

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:47

MARIECELESTE THANKS FOR THE 1911.. :-)...1911 is righther,Mary e gaymond is her sister

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:47

A bit out on her age on this 1911, but only one I can see:

GAYMOND, William Head Married M 34 1877 Cabinet Maker Manchester Lancashire
GAYMOND, Mary Elizabeth Wife Married 14 years F 34 1877 Gorton Lancashire
GAYMOND, Irene Daughter Single F 6 1905 Manchester Lancashire
CROOK, Edith Boarder Single F 23 1888 Seamtress Gorton Lancashire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 24188
Reference: RG14PN24188 RG78PN1388 RD467 SD1 ED18 SN30
Registration District: Prestwich
Sub District: Cheetham
Enumeration District: 18
Parish: North Manchester

Address: 65 Smedley Road Manchester County: Lancashire

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:46

its ok Marieceleste...i know what happened to Josiah crook,he beggered of and left his family just after 1881....and his brother Richard apparently looked after them all

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:43

sorry william was her grandad....

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:42

Mike i do have the facts, i am working from memory,i had to re-check it on freebmd,but ended up with the wrong year so sorry...

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:41

Cane - how could her father be William if he was Josiah on the marriages (mind - he was Richard on some census).

I'm pretty certain that it's the same family in 1901 - look at children's names and ages.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:39

She wasn't with her family in 1911:

CROOK, Richard Head Married 32 years M 56 1855 Engine Smith Lancs Manchester
CROOK, Mary Married 32 years F 55 1856 Ches Macclesfield
CROOK, William Son Single M 30 1881 Stoker Lancs Manchester
CROOK, Emily Daughter Single F 21 1890 Shirt Machinist Lancs Manchester
CROOK, Alice Daughter Single F 16 1895 Shirt Machinist Lancs Manchester

RG number: RG14 Piece: 24085
Reference: RG14PN24085 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED42 SN112
Registration District: Salford
Sub District: Regent Road
Enumeration District: 42
Parish: Pendleton

Address: 67 Falcon St Eccles New Road Pendleton County: Lancashire

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:39

are you sure that,that 1901 you found Marieceleste,isnt the 1891...i have william crook's the father,s death certificate and i am sure he died in 1891....please can you check...i will go track down where i put the death certificate

Mike *

Mike * Report 18 Feb 2013 20:36

Cane, it would help to have the facts at the outset.

You had the details from the marriage cert i.e. father's name etc.

Why did you think Edith was born 1882 ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:36

Although the father is Josiah on the two marriages he's calling himself Richard in 1901:

CROOK, Richard Head Married M 44 1857 Blacksmith Tyldesley, Lancashire
CROOK, Mary Wife Married F 49 1852 Tyldesley, Lancashire
CROOK, William Hy Son Single M 22 1879 Blacksmith Tyldesley, Lancashire
CROOK, Richard A Son Single M 19 1882 Railway Engine Stoker Tyldesley, Lancashire
CROOK, Edith E Daughter F 15 1886 Linen Tape Weaver Fancy Salford, Lancashire
CROOK, Emily Daughter F 10 1891 Salford, Lancashire
CROOK, Elizabeth A Daughter F 6 1895 Salford, Lancashire

Piece: 3737 Folio: 7 Page: 6
Registration District: Salford
Civil Parish: Salford

Address: 39, Robert Hall Street, Salford County: Lancashire

They seem to get a bit mixed up where the children were born but I'm not surprised with that many!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:33

Yes of course it is Mike! See above.

Mike *

Mike * Report 18 Feb 2013 20:30

MC is that not 1891 ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:29

Sorry Cane, it was the 1891 (have amended).

I'm not too sure about that 1882 Salford birth being the right one, try this one:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Edith Ellen Crook
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1885
Registration district: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 752

Chorlton covers the Gorton civil parish.

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:27

yes that is her Marieceleste...and that is her sister also ..Not the family Mike!

yes correct 1901..thank you for putting it up for me....

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:26

I think this is the correct 1891, if those two marriages are right:

CROOK, Mary Head Married F 38 1853 Macclesfield, Cheshire
CROOK, Josiah Son Single M 17 1874 Assistant Raiser In A Cotton Mill Manchester, Lancashire
CROOK, Mary E Daughter Single F 16 1875 Shirtmaker West Gorton, Lancashire
CROOK, William H Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire
CROOK, Frederick Son Single M 10 1881 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire
CROOK, Richard A Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire
CROOK, Florence Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire
CROOK, Edith E Daughter Single F 5 1886 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire
CROOK, Emily Daughter Single F 0 (10M) 1891 Beswick, Lancashire
CROOK, William Father Widower M 75 1816 Engine & Machine Smith Manchester, Lancashire
CROOK, Richard Uncle Widower M 33 1858 Engine & Machine Smith Manchester, Lancashire

Piece: 3260 Folio: 40 Page: 20
Registration District: Prestwich
Civil Parish: Beswick
Municipal Borough: Manchester

Address: 80, Viaduct Street, Beswick, Manchester County: Lancashire

Mike *

Mike * Report 18 Feb 2013 20:15

Guessing that this is her sister

Marriages Dec 1909
CROOK Florence - Salford 8d 156

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so this looks like the family

1891

Name: Edith Crook
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Crook
Mother's Name: Alice Crook
Gender: Female
Where born: Swinton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton


John Crook 34
Alice Crook 32
Edith Crook 12
Mary Crook 8
Florence Crook 5
John Crook 3
Samuel Crook 2/12


No, wrong father

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2013 20:12

What were her parent's names? Who was the sister who married 1909? Do you have her on the 1901? If so, where and who with?

Is this her?

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: Edith Ellen Crook - of 2 Warburton Street.
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 27
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1912
Parish: Cheetham, St Luke
Parish as it Appears: Cheetham, St Luke
Father's Name: Josiah Crook - Blacksmith
Spouse's Name: Robert Ashton (35). A clerk of 12 Leicester Road
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Ashton - Stationer
Reference Number: GB127.M339/1/2/2

Neither married before.

Witnesses: William Ashton and Emily Crook.
_____________________________________________________________

Could be the sister's marriage as there is an Edith Ellen Crook as witness:

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: Florence Crook
Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 26
Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1909
Parish: Weaste, St Luke
Parish as it Appears: Weaste
Father's Name: Josiah Crook
Spouse's Name: James Woodcock
Spouse's Father's Name: George Woodcock
Reference Number: L136/1/2/5
Item Number: 5
Archive Roll: 568

cane

cane Report 18 Feb 2013 20:06

Please can some-one help me find Edith ellen crook,she was born 1882 sep Q in salford,i cannot see a death or marriage for her...she is one of the witnesses to her sisters marriage in 1909,salford......i would also welcome a 1911 census look-up for her...thank's