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John Henry Webb from Essex

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MargDalkin

MargDalkin Report 19 Feb 2013 11:47

I'm looking for the origins of a John Henry Webb, a mariner born in Essex about 1814 Don't know where. At marriage in 1859 he said his father was also John Webb, a blacksmith and his mother Hannah Cooke. In Australia by 1853 and died there in 1871.
Margaret

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 19 Feb 2013 12:05

hello Margaret , welcome to the boards - wonder if this is a sibling maybe?

name: Marianne Webb
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 Aug 1807
baptism/christening place: Thaxted, Essex, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Webb
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Hannah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04527-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1702602
reference number: item 4

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 19 Feb 2013 12:10

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name: Henry Webb
event type: Birth
birth date: 14 Feb 1809
birthplace: Colchester, Essex
father's name: John Webb
mother's name: Hannah Webb
record set: RG4_1507

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Feb 2013 13:10

Is this his marriage and death? Just for our info.


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Catherine Johnson
Name: Catherine Johnson
Spouse Name: John Henry Webb
Marriage Date: 1859
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1859
Registration number: 79



Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about John Webb
Name: John Webb
Death Date: 1871
Death Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Place: Balmain, New South Wales
Registration number: 1599



Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Catherine Webb
Name: Catherine Webb
Death Date: 1879
Death Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1879
Registration Place: Balmain, New South Wales
Registration number: 2472

MargDalkin

MargDalkin Report 19 Feb 2013 20:54

Greetings Ann and Alviegal
Yes the marriage and deaths Alvie provided are correct. I'm on the hunt now in Thaxted for a sibling Marianne. Thank you Ann. The marriage to Catherine was bigamous as John Henry Webb was already married and had a daughter with my 2xggm Mary Gay. Through my searches I have found a great granddaughter of JHW and Catherine and we are both now on the trail for his origins. There is a seaman (Mariners records on Find My Past) from Little Coggeshall in Essex who looks promising but without Parish Records or other links to Coggeshall we're stuck. Wife Catherine was a convict from ireland and there are many convicts with the name John Webb. His being a seaman is strong as he was a waterman in Balmain, a Sydney Harbour suburb.
I appreciate your replies.
Margaret-Sydney Australia

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Feb 2013 21:00

Have you checked Seax for Parish Registers? They were supposed to be putting the majority of the records on line, to access by a small subscription

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/EssexAncestors.aspx

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 19 Feb 2013 21:37

1841 England Census
about John Webb
Name: John Webb
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Chelmsford
Hundred: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub-registration district: Chelmsford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 325
Book: 8
Folio: 32
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
John Webb 45 Inn keeper
Hannah Webb 50
Margaree Webb 20 READS MARYANNE***********
Sarah Ann Webb 15


Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 19 Feb 2013 21:50

Someone has this on Ancestry as John Henry's first marriage in Australia and then Catherine in 1859 which means he was in Austaria in 1841.

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Jane Murphy
Name: Jane Murphy
Spouse Name: John H Webb
Marriage Date: 1841
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Windsor, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1841
Volume Number: V

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 19 Feb 2013 21:56

Catherine had been married before to a Benjamin Johnson in 1850.

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Benjamin Johnson
Name: Benjamin Johnson
Spouse Name: Catherin Donlean (Donovon?)
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1850
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Year: 1850
Registration number: 322



Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Catherine Johnson
Name: Catherine Johnson
Spouse Name: John Henry Webb
Marriage Date: 1859
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1859
Registration number: 79

MargDalkin

MargDalkin Report 19 Feb 2013 22:58

Thanks Mel

I have all the info you gave and my co-researcher and I have discounted the marriage of John Webb and Jane Murphy as we have tracked this couple through. JHW was often in the press for being a "bad boy" and we know a fair bit about his movements from 1853 to his death. The National Library of Australia has digitised newspapers and it's a wonderful resource by the name of TROVE. He features quite a bit in the Water Police Court for altercations with women and for being in fights with other watermen. Catherine's former husband was a convict overseer on Norfolk Island and she had a child Mary with him born on NI. Mary later went to live with JHW when Catherine married him. All Catherine's children with JHW are known. There is a former mystery wife Frances and son James that we have not got to the bottom of yet. Frances' death notice in the SMH says she was the wife of JHW boatman of Balmain. He was married to Catherine at that time and had formerly been married to Mary Gay. Ben Johnson was also still alive when Catherine married JHW. Bigamy on a big scale. For the first post I only gave a little of the story as it's JHW's origins in Essex we are seeking. If anyone has info about where and when he married Frances (nothing else known) we would also be grateful. We have discounted the 1853 marriage in Melbourne of a JHW and Frances as the timing for this and his marriage to Mary Gay does not add up.

MargDalkin

MargDalkin Report 19 Feb 2013 23:07

Thank you DetEcTive

Your info on the Parish Registers is most welcome. I had looked on Ancestry and Find My Past but had not thought to look if there were County records available. Definitely worth a try. JHW's age is inconsistent through time as often reported but guesstimates suggest born circa 1814. He could have been born before this.
You may save me a expensive flight from Sydney!

Margaret