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MarriageFinder™: William Rudge married Matilda Nobles
Name: RUDGE, William
Registration district: Newport Pagnell
County: Buckinghamshire
Year of registration: 1852
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name
Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3A Page no: 500

Can anyone tell me who William Rudge married in 1852 in Newport Pagnell.

I think this is Mary Poyner and mother Sarah Ann with Sarah's parents in 1881. She is mistranscribed as Paynes. Jan already found Richard Poyner in 1881 living away from home and safc found the marriage of Sarah Ann to Richard


RUDGE, William Head Married M 66 1815 Blacksmith Unemployed
Longford, Shropshire
RUDGE, Matilda Wife Married F 62 1819 Blacksmith Unemployed Wife
Newport Pagnal, Buckinghamshire
PAYNES, Sarah A Daughter Married F 26 1855 No Employment
Wilshamstead, Bedfordshire
PAYNES, Mary Grand Daughter Single F 2 1879
Pelsall, Staffordshire VIEW

Piece: 2816

Folio: 112

Page: 7

Registration District: Wolverhampton

Civil Parish: Bilston

Municipal Borough:

Address: 1, John Street, Bilston

County: Staffordshire

Found two possible births for Mary in the Walsall district that covers Pelsall.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1878
Poiner Mary Ann Walsall 6b 731

Births Dec 1878
POINER Mary Walsall 6b 679

I'm still struggling to find any more information on Mary Poyners family. On her marriage certificate to William Beech; it states her age as 22 and that her father's name was Richard. I found a birth certificate for a Mary Poyner in the registration district of Bloxwich, which I understand covers Pelsall for December 1876 but this states her father as Joseph.

Can anyone throw any light on this or find me another birth. There is a Mary Poyner in the 1881 census in Pelsall, Bloxwich, but her father's name is George.

In 1901 William also listed his birthplace as Sedgley when he was living with his in laws, so Pelsall is not the only birthplace he lists.

If you find the correct birth cert it would give this address at birth. But you first have to find the correct certificate.

You can search free on FreeBMD. The birth that would appear to match the birth that safc found is below as the Registration District of Dudley includes Sedgley.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
Beach William Dudley 6c 82

Pesall is covered by the Registration of Walsall and there is one birth in the Walsall area in 1880 but this appears in the census to match another William with father Charles.

In the 1911 census it is showing William Beech as being born in Pelsall, Staffordshire. Can anyone tell me if this is the area that would show up on the birth records or would it show up as another area i.e. Walsall or Darlaston or even somewhere else.

Still looking for William Beech's parents. Richard Beech who died before William was married in 1899, according to Williams marriage certificate was a carpenter.

Anne

His surname appears to vary in terms of spelling over the years so possibly this one and maybe the family below in 1861?

Name: Richard Poiner
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1854
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 366

1861?

Name: Richard Pyner
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard Pyner
Mother's name: Jane Pyner
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 1996
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Pyner 46
Jane Pyner 41
Edward Pyner 18
John Pyner 16
Henry Pyner 13
Joseph Pyner 11
Richard Pyner 8
George Pyner 5
Jane Pyner 2 Months

I've tried looking for a birth of Richard Poyner. In the 1901 census he is 47 making his year of birth 1854 in Wolverhampton. So far I can't find anything. Can anyone help.

Anne

Hi Vera

Thanks for that. It looks as if it could be the same family as Sarah's mum and sister were born in Newport Pagnell.

Wondering if I can presume it is the same family and therefore the same Sarah that married Richard

Anyone any ideas.


Anne

1871 ref marriage details safc found....


Although it states worcester against Sarah A birth....on the image it states worcester bedfordshire ???

RUDGE, William Head M 52 1819 Shropshire VIEW
RUDGE, Matilda Wife F 50 1821 Buckinghamshire VIEW
RUDGE, Mary Daughter F 18 1853 Buckinghamshire VIEW
>>>>>>RUDGE, Sarah Ann Daughter F 15 1856 Worcestershire VIEW
RUDGE, William Tho Son M 14 1857 Worcestershire VIEW
Piece: 2940
Folio: 134
Page: 20
Registration District: Wolverhampton
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire




1861

Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
RUDGE, William Head Married M 45 1816 Smith
Willington, Shropshire VIEW
RUDGE, Matilda Wife Married F 42 1819
Newport..., Berkshire VIEW
RUDGE, Mary Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Newport..., Berkshire VIEW
RUDGE, Ellen Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
..., Bedfordshire VIEW
RUDGE, Sarah Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
..., Bedfordshire VIEW
RUDGE, William Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Leighton..., Bedfordshire VIEW
Piece: 761
Folio: 120
Page: 37
Registration District: Windsor
Civil Parish: Clewer
Municipal Borough:
Address: Clewer Fields, Clewer
County: Berkshire



Regards Vera

Could be William's father

1881

gland Census about Richard Beach
Name: Richard Beach
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Sedgley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 50 Gospelend St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Wheelwright

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2868
Folio: 12
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Clifton 61
Mary Clifton 69
Richard Beach 24
Thomas Martin 33

Was Sarah Rudge born in Newport Pagnell? That is the key to the answer.

Anne

Thank you all for your help. It certainly looks like the marriage is recorded as Richard Pyner.

Any more help would be greatly appreciated.

Anne

The same William as above in 1881 - Presumably Hannah did not marry Richard Beech

1881

Name: William Beich
[William Beech]
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Sedgley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Parkfield Colliery
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2872
Folio: 121
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Golding 54
Martha Golding 53
Elijah Golding 19
Hannah Golding 24
Noah Golding 17
Sarah A. Golding 15
William Beich 2

This William Beech could fit with the baptism safc found

1891

Name: William Buck
[William Beech]
[William Beech]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Ettingshall Holy Trinity
Town: Ettingsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2291
Folio: 43
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
William Golding 68
Martha Golding 66
Hannah Golding 34
Eligier Golding 29
Noah Golding 27
William Buck 12

County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church St Matt
RegisterNumber 30461
MarriageDate 19 Oct 1874
GroomForename Richard Thomas
GroomSurname PYNER
GroomAge 21
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Blacksmith
GroomAbode Miner Street
BrideForename Sarah Ann
BrideSurname RUDGE
BrideAge 20
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Miner Street
GroomFatherForename Richard Thomas
GroomFatherSurname PYNER
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname RUDGE
BrideFatherOccupation Blacksmith
WitnessOneForename Richard
WitnessOneSurname TENNANT
WitnessTwoForename Sarah
WitnessTwoSurname PYNER
Notes Banns; Recorded by Samuel SANDIFORD

groom's name: Richard Thomas Pyner
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Sarah Ann Rudge
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 19 Oct 1874
marriage place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: Richard Thomas Pyner
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: William Rudge
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M16762-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040914
reference number: P 231 CN 461

Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
BRADBURY Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 929
Colledge William Wolverhampton 6b 929
Pyner Richard Thomas Wolverhampton 6b 929
Rudge Sarah Ann Wolverhampton 6b 929