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Having a real job with Jessie !!

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Margaret

Margaret Report 26 Feb 2013 15:47

I have a Jessie Bruce b. 1842 Dundee (father Robert, mother unknown) In 1868 she married (regd. Kensington) a William T. Chandler b. 1845 Devizes and had a family.

I have her on 1871, 1881 and 1891 census returns living with her husband and family. However her husband died in 1891 and this is where I stop. I simply cannot locate her or her family on 1901 census. I do however have her in 1911 living with the elder of her two sons (William Robert Chandler) and his family in Paddington.

Failing to find her on 1901 I decided to try backwards to confirm her father as Robert and perhaps find her mother and any siblings. I have looked at both the England and Scotland census returns for 1861 and 1851 for a Jessie Bruce born 1842 Dundee but with absolutely no success.

Has anyone any suggestions as to where I could look now? Thanks

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 26 Feb 2013 16:04

Any chance this has been recorded wrongly? No idea if she has a daughter Jane!

ADDED no, not her, there is also an Isabella, sorry:

1871 England Census
Name: Isabella Chandler
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edwd Chandler
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington

Edwd Chandler 30
Isabella Chandler 29
Jane May Chandler 1

1901 England Census
Name: Isabell Chandler
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Essex

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Forest Gate

William Morley 30
Jane M Morley 30
Edward J Morley 1
William H Morley 1
Charles J Morley 3 Months
Isabell Chandler 59
Charles Morley 17
Eliza Scott 9

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 26 Feb 2013 16:26

Just putting 1891 - you say you can't find William or George either, is that right?

1891 England Census
Name: William Chandler
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William T Chandler
Mother's name: Jessie Chandler
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, London, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington

William T Chandler 46
Jessie Chandler 50
William Chandler 19
George Chandler 17
Eliza Crafts 53

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 26 Feb 2013 16:28

Looks like George? No sign of Jessie though.

1901 England Census
Name: George H Chandler
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Chandler
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew and St Phillip
County/Island: London

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town

George H Chandler 27
Catherine Chandler 26
George M Chandler 4 Months


Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 26 Feb 2013 16:33

Here are the banns for their marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Chandler
Name: William Chandler
Spouse Name: Jessie Bruce
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 20 Dec 1868
Parish: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 26 Feb 2013 16:34

They married on 28th Dec 1868 as it is written on the side of their banns.

Margaret

Margaret Report 26 Feb 2013 16:59

Thank you Brummiejan and Mel for your replies and info. Sorry I was away so long but I was so cold just sitting here that I've been off and had a hot drink. It's surprising how cold you can get just sitting at a computer !!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Feb 2013 18:26

Do you have an occupation forJessie's father, Robert please?

I wonder about this one but without paying to check on Scotlandspeople if the transcription is accurate it would be difficult to be sure.

1861

Name: Jane Bruce
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Bruce
Gender: Female
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration number: 335
Registration district: Blairgowrie
Civil parish: Blairgowrie
County: Perthshire
Address: George Street
Occupation: Dress Maker
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 203
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_47
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Bruce 57 Labourer, b. Perthshire (Kirkmichael)
Jane Bruce 19



Remember that in Scotland Jessie and Janet are interchangeable names.




EDIT

No probably not the one above as here she in in 1851


Name: Robert Bruce
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkmichael, perthshire
Parish Number: 370
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
County: Perthshire
Address: Crowhill
Occupation: Ag Labourer
ED: 1
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_77
Household Members: Name Age
George Fergusson 44
Jannet Fergusson 37
Robert Bruce 47
Jean Bruce 9 Niece, b. Kirkmicharl, Perthshire



Jean and Jane also interchangeable in Scotland.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 26 Feb 2013 18:34

Thats a nuisance Root. I thought you had found her at first.

I too looked up Janet Bruce with no luck.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 26 Feb 2013 18:49

OOoooo I have found a Robert Bruce who is a soldier in Buckingham Palace!!!!

He is in the infantry Barracks Buckingham Palace but he is unmarried....

Margaret

Margaret Report 26 Feb 2013 19:02

Oooo what a shame Mel - wouldn't that have been something !! Thank you all very much for trying. This is the second time over months I have searched for Jessie and her ancestors and | have decided now to call it a day. Some lines are just too too awkward so I will now throw in the towel.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Feb 2013 19:09

A couple of thoughts. I wonder if her father died when she was young or she was illegimate and either way her mother remarried and Jessie is lurking under a different surname in 1851 and 1861 but reverted to her birth surname when she married.

Does the marriage certificate say she was a spinster please? Does it give an occupation for her? Does it give an ocupation for her father and did it say if he was deceased please?

Mary

Mary Report 26 Feb 2013 19:36

Can't find it now but i have read father of jessie was Robert a tailor.

1871 Paddington D3 >51
with Jessie and William Chandler
George Brice 1836 a carpenter born Scotland(Infact he is more than likely BRUCE)

1861 Westminster D16 > 5
George Bruce 1836 Gowan Scotland a Carpenter and visitors in the Bartlett household.

Maryb.

I think maybe this thread should have been tagged onto Margarets other thread about the Chandler/West family from yesterday.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Feb 2013 21:35

Name: Jessie Bruce
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Age: 27
Spouse Name: William Chandley
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Dec 1869
Parish: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Robert Bruce
Spouse Father Name: William Chandley
Register Type: Parish Register


It is dated 1868

Robert Bruce - tailor



Oh bother

1851 has a Robert Bruce b1823 Scotland in Cheshire - occupation of tailor but unmarried