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Help Needed, Flaxby Yorkshire Arthur Rose

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Ian

Ian Report 26 Feb 2013 23:00

Hi All. Arthur Rose was my grandfather on my mothers side Born abt 1892, lived most of his adult life in Flaxby nr Knaresborough. Having traced my relatives (mostly mothers side from devon) i come to a stop with him. As I remember he is mixed somehow with the family Vollans (photographers in Knaresborough) but I have no surviving relatives that can shed any light here, so If anyone has any ideas It would be great. Im a bit of a novice here!
Thanks. Ian

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 26 Feb 2013 23:05

There is this one on the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 96 Dewsbury Road Wakefield

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27398 RG78PN1567 RD504 SD4 ED22 SN375
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: Wakefield
Parish: Wakefield
Enum. District: 22
Address: 96 Dewsbury Road Wakefield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ROSE, Emily Head Widow F 61 1850 Stoke Ash Suffolk
ROSE, George Son Single M 32 1879 Coal Miners Dateler Wakefield Yorkshire
ROSE, Herbert Son Single M 29 1882 Coal Miner Hewer Wakefield Yorkshire
ROSE, James Son Single M 27 1884 Coal Miner Hewer Wakefield Yorkshire
ROSE, Harry Son Single M 23 1888 Worsted Warper Wakefield Yorkshire
ROSE, Ernest Son Single M 21 1890 Fitters Labourer Wakefield Yorkshire
ROSE, Arthur Son Single M 19 1892 Crucible Finisher Wakefield Yorkshire

Do any of these names ring a bell, or did your grandfather name any of his children after any of the brothers and sisters on this census?

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 26 Feb 2013 23:07

Do you know your grandmother's name? Their marriage certificate should name Arthur's father (if he knew his father).

Kath. x

patchem

patchem Report 26 Feb 2013 23:25

Have you got your Mother's birth certificate, and her parents' marriage certificate?
You do not need relatives with memories, you need certificates.

Lived in Knaresborough, but born where?
Died Knaresborough?

Added:
Is this his death?
Arthur Rose
Birth Date: abt 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 39

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Feb 2013 23:30

Only one marriage for an Arthur Rose in Knaresborough district

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)

Rose Arthur N Wadsworth Knaresbro 9a 226
Wadsworth Mary Rose Knaresbro 9a 226

Born in Oxfordshire..................

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Rose Arthur Norman Headington 3a 766

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Feb 2013 23:34

1911 census

Person: ROSE, Arthur Norman Address: 5 Tennyson Road Small Heath B'ham

ROSE, George Frederick Head Married M 49 1862 Wesleyan Methodist Minster Glossop Derbyshire VIEW
ROSE, Laura Amelia Wife Married22 years F 49 1862 Stafford Staffs VIEW
ROSE, Arthur Norman Son Single M 18 1893 Theological Student Oxford Oxon VIEW
ROSE, Cecil Herbert Son Single M 15 1896 School Newlyn Penzance Cornwall VIEW
ROSE, Ethel Marguerite Daughter Single F 20 1891 Horwich Bolton Lancs VIEW
SAVIN, Annie Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Bletchington Oxon

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Feb 2013 23:35

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
Jones Elizabeth Ann St. Asaph 11b 577
ROSE George Frederick St.Asaph 11b 577
TAYLOR Laura Amelia St. Asaph 11b 577
TINMAN William Samuel St. Asaph 11b 577

patchem

patchem Report 26 Feb 2013 23:39

Is this your grandfather's marriage, as she is from Devon?
Marriages Dec 1916
Rose Arthur Ryles E. Stonehouse 5b 620
Ryles Alice M Rose E. Stonehouse 5b 620

Added:
(3 daughters born Knaresborough)

Added;
Alice is in Ian's tree
Births Sep 1895
Ryles Alice Mary E. Stonehouse 5b 283

?
Alice Mary Rose
Birth Date: 22 Jul 1895
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1982
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Volume: 05
Page: 0214

Ian

Ian Report 27 Feb 2013 07:16

Hi All, thanks for the replies. My mother who is still living but has very little memory after an accident remembers my grandfather setting off early on his bicycle and coming back late and saying he was visiting family. She also remembers that the Vollans family were always regarded as "family" and this must come from my grandfathers side as my Grandmothers side are all from Devon E Stonehouse area.
He was serving in WW1 as sail-maker on warship :-) and fought in battle of Jutland, on HMS Birmingham?? or Coventry?? (not been this direction yet).
He Married my grandmother in Devon and after the war settled in Flaxby. Alice Mary Ryles being her Maiden name. They had 4 daughters together in Flaxby my mother being the youngest. This part is in the Thompsons Family Tree (hope its available to see). There was always a family rumour that he was born out of wedlock :-0 or some similar scandal :-D but how true it is I dont know. He died also in Flaxby, was born (abt 1892 I think in Knaresborough area but also not 100%. I remember his funeral so must have been in 70,s

If I think of anything else I will repost, Thanks all once again! this seems a bit of puzzle / scandal. Hope I can live it down ;-)

rgds to all. Ian

Alemap

Alemap Report 27 Feb 2013 10:54

Possible family
MarriageFinder™: Esther Elizabeth Rose married Arthur Vollans
Name: ROSE, Esther Elizabeth
Registration district: Great Ouseburn
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1889
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 9A Page no: 141

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 11:03

You need to get the 1916 marriage cert if you wish to build an accurate tree

And...........a little tip.

It helps us to help you if you give us all your info when you first ask for assistance.

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 11:19

If he died after 1969, his birthplace and DOB will be on the death cert....assuming the person who registered the death had accurate details

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 14:50

1911 census

Person: VOLLANS, Esther Elizabeth Address: Ribston Little Wetherby

VOLLANS, Arthur Head Married M 42 1869 Garden Labourer Yorkshire Eserick VIEW
VOLLANS, Esther Elizabeth Wife Married21 years F 41 1870 Yorkshire Pickhill VIEW
VOLLANS, Annie Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1899 School Yorkshire Ribston VIEW
VOLLANS, Emily Mary Daughter F 10 1901 School Yorkshire Ribston VIEW
VOLLANS, John Son M 5 1906 School Yorkshire Ribston VIEW
VOLLANS, Alicia Daughter F 3 1908 Yorkshire Ribston VIEW
VOLLANS, Noel Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Yorkshire Ribston

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 14:52

1881
head John Rose M 32 Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
wife Mary Rose F 30 Boltby, Yorkshire, England
daughter Martha A Rose F 13 Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
daughter Esther Rose F 11 Pickhill, Yorkshire, England
daughter Mary Rose F 8 Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
son John Rose M 4 Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
son William C Rose M 3 Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
son George E Rose M 1 Thirsk, Yorkshire, England

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 15:02

1911 census

Person: ROSE, George Ellis Address: 23 Coleridge Avenue West Hartlepool

ROSE, George Ellis Head Married M 30 1881 Commission Agent Thirsk Yorkshire VIEW
ROSE, Mary Elenor Wife Married8 years F 30 1881 Maryport Cumberland VIEW
ROSE, Edith Daughter F 7 1904 At School West Hartlepool Durham VIEW
ROSE, Doris Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 West Hartlepool Durham VIEW
ROSE, Herbert Son M 3 1908 West Hartlepool Durham

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 15:03

1911 census

Person: ROSE, William Charles Address: 28 New St Salisbury

ROSE, William Charles Head Married M 33 1878 Clothier Dealer Yorks Thirsk VIEW
ROSE, Hannah Mary Wife Married14 years F 30 1881 Great Ayton Yorks VIEW
ROSE, William Ellis Son M 11 1900 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
ROSE, Elizabeth May Daughter F 9 1902 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
ROSE, Winnifred Daughter F 8 1903 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
ROSE, Emily Daughter F 6 1905 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
GILL, Gwendoline Sarah Visitor Single F 18 1893 Retail Clothier Assistant Wilts Whiteparish

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 15:04

1911 census

Person: ROSE, John Address: Vicarage Farm Heworth York

ROSE, John Head Married M 34 1877 Cattle Dealer Thirsk Yorkshire VIEW
ROSE, Edith Wife F 34 1877 Stourbridge Worcester VIEW
ROSE, Kathleen Daughter F 3 1908 York

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Feb 2013 15:05

1911 census

Person: ROSE, John Address: 13 Victoria Street Stockton on Tees

ROSE, John Head Married M 61 1850 Driller At Marine Engine Works Yorks Thirsk VIEW
ROSE, Mary Wife Married30 years F 60 1851 Yorks Thirlby VIEW
ROSE, Jennie Daughter Single F 26 1885 Shop Assistant Confectioner Yorks Thirsk VIEW
ROSE, Florry Daughter Single F 17 1894 At Home Work Durham Stockton on Tees VIEW
ROSE, Leonard Grandson M 4 1907 Wilts Salisbury VIEW
BARKER, John Boarder Single M 58 1853 Groom Domestic Leicestershire N K

safc

safc Report 27 Feb 2013 15:10

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Rose Esther Elizabeth Gt.Ouseburn 9a 141
VOLLANS Arthur Gt. Ouseburn 9a 141

safc

safc Report 27 Feb 2013 15:13

name: Herbert Christopher Holmes
event type: Marriage
event date: 04 Nov 1916
event place: , British Columbia, Canada
age: 20
birth year (estimated): 1896
birthplace: Wiltsea, England
marital status: Bachelor
residence place:
father's name: John Alfred Holmes
mother's name: Jane Louise Blackburn
spouse's name: Alice Maud Vollans
spouse's age: 24
spouse's birth year (estimated): 1892
spouse's birthplace: Goldsborough Yorkshire, England
spouse's marital status: Spinster
spouse's residence place:
spouse's father's name: Arthur Vollans
spouse's mother's name: Elizabeth Rose
gs film number: 1983976
digital folder number: 004401577
image number: 01385
affiliate film number: B11383
reference id: 16 09 127826