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Matthew and Jemima Cutting, Norfolk

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tania

tania Report 28 Feb 2013 13:38

I found this death of a Matthew Cutting in Yorkshire
Name: Matthew Cutting
Birth: abt 1829
Death: Apr 1896 - Bradford, Yorkshire West Riding

Perhaps he deserted his wife so she went back to her previous name of Martha Fielding??

Seems a long shot but Matthew Cutting does not seem to be a common name.


tania

tania Report 1 Mar 2013 13:12

More help needed please. I know Matthew Cutting was born about 1839 in Grimstone Norfolk according to the 1861 and 1871 census but I can find no record in the bmd or 1841 or 1851 and he should be there. Can anyone find him? Thanks for your help.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 1 Mar 2013 17:44

In 1841 a Mathew Cutting aged 5 is in the workhouse at Gayton, close to Grimston, Norfolk.

Address: Union Workhouse, Gayton County: Norfolk

CUTTING, Mathew M 5 1836 Norfolk

Looking at the image there is also a William Cutting aged 13. Possibly a brother, but could he have been named after the father (Matthew Cutter's father was William on his marriage details to Martha posted earlier)

Edit, I see on an earlier post regarding the information from the Ancestry tree, Mathew Tennant Cutting 1837 had a brother called William.

tania

tania Report 1 Mar 2013 21:52

Wow. Where did you find the image? Are you able to share it with me? It's definitely a possibility as I cannot find another Matthew cutting in 1841 near Grimstone around that date and yet the later censuses are pretty consistent that this is when and where he was born. Thank you so much for your interest and help. Any ideas where he is in 1851?

jax

jax Report 1 Mar 2013 22:06

This looks like the ancestry version of that census

1841 England Census
about Mathew Coffing
Name: Mathew Coffing
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Gayton
Hundred: Freebridge Lynn
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration district: Gayton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 768
Book: 11
Folio: 24
Page Number: 2

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 1 Mar 2013 23:44

HI,

Jax is right, That is the same record.

I've think I've finally succeeded in pming you the census image.

Sorry it took so long to respond, I'd been off line for a bit.

Plus my old laptop died and I've just got a new one with Windows 8, but I'm computer illiterate and couldn't manage to access the downloaded image to send it on to you.

Think I've finally done it.

Didn't have any joy with finding Matthew in 1851.

Kucinta

tania

tania Report 2 Mar 2013 03:52

Many thanks. I've looked at the original transcript on Ancestry and it looks like a mistake has been made with the transcription and it is Matthew Cutting. I believe Matthew's father may have been William Cutting and so perhaps the William is a brother like you say. I wonder what ever happened to his parents for the boys to end up in the Workhouse. What a sad time.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 2 Mar 2013 12:51

Matthew Cutting sr is called Matthew Tennant or Tennent Cutting on the marriage of daur Mary Jane (named afrer grandmother Mary Jane Tennant from that Ancestry tree?), and on baptism of daur Fanny,son Walter, and both sons called Matthew Tennant Cutting.

name: Charles Haith
birth date: 1853
birthplace:
age: 21
spouse's name: Mary Jane Tennant Cutting<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
spouse's birth date: 1856
spouse's birthplace:
spouse's age: 18
event date: 1874
event place: St. Peter, Barton Upon Humber, Lincoln, England
father's name: Robert Haith
mother's name:
spouse's father's name: Matthew Tennant Cutting<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
spouse's mother's name:


name: Fanny Tennant Cutting<<<<<<<<<<<
gender: Female
christening date: 23 Jan 1871
christening place: Watlington, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Matthew Tennant Cutting<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jemima Louisa<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I00382-2
system origin: England-ODM
gs film number: 1526692
reference id:

Sadly:

name: Fanny Tennent Cutting
gender: Female
burial date: 10 Feb 1871
burial place: Watlington, Norfolk, England
death date:
indexing project (batch) number: I00382-2
system origin: England-EASy
gs film number: 1526692
reference id: p 78

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 2 Mar 2013 13:20

Transcripts of Brancaster baptisms from 1813-1880.

Several for children of William Cutting and Jane. William's occupation varies from baker/miller/mariner/labourer.

Strangely enough the one I couldn't spot was Matthew Cutting c1837.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/brancaster.htm

mgnv

mgnv Report 2 Mar 2013 21:30

Tania - re "I know one of the children, Alfred ended up in British Columbia"

Are you sure abt that - there was an Alfred Cutting, also aged 18 in 1881, that died in BC, but he wasn't your guy.
Course, there might have been more Alfreds, but I think you should check.

Vital Event Death Registration
Name: Alfred Spencer Cutting
Event Date: 1948 10 13 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age: 85
Gender: male
Event Place: Kelowna
Reg. Number: 1948-09-009518
B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13198
GSU Microfilm Number: 2032482
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-217D9E8/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths

You can search his d.cert at:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/KeywordGenealogy


1881 England Census
Civil parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 St Albans Rd
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Piece: 3693 Folio: 21 Page Number: 35

Sarah Cutting 41 Stow, Norfolk, England Head W Teacher (S M)
Alfred S. Cutting 18 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Apprentice
Posie Russell 11 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Boarder Scholar Pupil
Mary H. Markwell 7 Bootle, Lancashire, England Boarder Scholar
Margaret Jones 17 Flintshire, Wales Servant General Serv
Charlotte E. Wilson 37 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Partner Teacher (S M)


Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
CUTTING Alfred Spencer W.Derby 8b 381

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
CUTTING Ernest Freeman W. Derby 8b 476

1911 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001945245.pdf
1916 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21925/pdf/31228_4363954-01001.pdf

Alfred moved from MB to BC in 1922

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 2 Mar 2013 23:52

Following on from mgnv's post above.

Alfred in census 1911?

Address: 33 Hildyard St Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

WRIGHT, Elias Head Married M 68 1843 Fire Wood Dealer Hull York
WRIGHT, Annie Wife Married 43 years F 69 1842 Leicester Leices
STOCKHILL, Anne Daughter Married 5 years F 28 1883 Grimsby Linc
STOCKHILL, Tho S Henry Son In Law Married M 30 1881 Bricklayer Labourer Barton Lincolnshire
CUTTING, Alfred Boarder Married M 48 1863 Ice Labouer Wesbich Cambs<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Alfred was married for either 25 or 28 yrs with one child, child still living.

In 1901 Alfred was living with Elias and Annie Wright at the same address as in 1911.

Marriages Jun 1882
Cutting Alfred Caistor 7a 1344
Firth Mary Ann Caistor 7a 1344
Lill Emily Caistor 7a 1344
MUDD George Albert Caistor 7a 1344

Wife seems to be called Emma in 1891:


Census 1891:

Address: Back Of 165, Kent Street, Great Grimsby, Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

CUTTING, Alfred Head Married M 28 1863 Twine Spinner
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire
CUTTING, Emma Wife Married F 29 1862 Hull, Yorkshire
CUTTING, John H Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Grimsby, Lincolnshire
CUTTING, Mathew Boarder Single M 21 1870 Fish Splitter
Wisbech, Cambridgeshire

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 00:03

Possible death in Grimsby region, where Alfred was living as per census 1901/1911:

Name: Alfred Cutting
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 777

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 00:08

Alfred's wife and son in census 1901???

Address: 31, Back Church Street, Great Grimsby, Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

BOUL, Thomas Head Single M 37 1864 Railway Goods Worker
Quadring, Lincolnshire
CUTTING, Emma Boarder Married F 37 1864 Fish Net Maker
Hull, Yorkshire
CUTTING, John Henry Boarder Single M 18 1883 Ships Boiler Cleaner Grimsby, Lincolnshire


Son John Henry Cutting in census 1911:

Address: 35 Sussex St New Cleethorpes Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

CUTTING, John Henry Head Married M 28 1883 Commission Turf Agent Grimsby Lincolnshire
CUTTING, Mary Emma Wife Married 2 years F 24 1887 Grimsby Lincolnshire

Marriages Dec 1908
>>>CUTTING John Henry Grimsby 7a 1371
>>>MAW Mary Emma Grimsby 7a 1371


Alfred's wife Emma in 1911, still living at same address as in 1901:

Address: B 31 Church St Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

BOUL, Thomas Head Single M 47 1864 Railway Porter Quadring Lincolnshire
CUTTING, Emma Servant Married F 46 1865 Housekeeeper Hull Yorkshire<<<<<<<
CLARKE, William Boarder Married M 59 1852 Skipper On Traveller Welkston County of Suffolk

Emma says she has been married for 29 yrs, one child born, child still living.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 00:37

??????

Walter Cutting in 1911:

Address: 33 Donnington St GrimsbyCounty: Lincolnshire

CUTTING, Walter Head Maried M 51 1860 Twine Spiner London
CUTTING, Selina Wife Married 21 years F 38 1873 Hull Yorkshire
CUTTING, Walter Son M 3 1908 Grimsby Lincs
CUTTING, Alfred Lill Son M 1 1910 Grimsby Lincs

Married 21 years, 2 children born, both still living.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 00:41

????

Matthew jr in 1911? Age a little out, but birthplace tallies with 1881 census posted on page one of this thread.

Address: 83 Garibaldi Street Great Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

BLACKER, Hester Alice Head Married F 47 1864 Fish Washer Lincs Louth
STONE, Susannah Preston Daughter Single F 21 1890 Egg Packer Lincs Grimsby
CUTTING, Matthew Boarder Single M 37 1874 Fish Curer Smoked Lincs Bourne<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Death?

Name: Matthew Cutting
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 849

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 00:56

?????

Eliza's marriage:

Name: CUTTING, Eliza
Registration district: Caistor
County: Lincolnshire
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 7A
Page no: 796

MarriageFinder: Eliza Cutting married one of the following people:

BALDWIN, David
BRAHAM, George

According to census 1881 on page one of this thread, Eliza was born Peterbro.

Census 1911:

Married 24 yrs, 2 children born, 1 living, 1 deceased.

Address: 34 Holt Street MiddlesbroughCounty: Yorkshire (North riding)

BRAHAM, George Head Married M 47 1864 Fisher Man Retired Redcar Yorks
BRAHAM, Elizar Wife Married 24 years F 44 1867 Peter Borough Norfolk<<<<<<

tania

tania Report 3 Mar 2013 00:59

Many thanks for your help. Thanks for correcting me about Alfred. It looks like I made a mistake about him originally. I'm looking forward to going through all this new information this morning.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 01:06

Harriet Cutting wasn't with her sister Mary Jane Haith in 1881, I think this is her living with her uncle and his family.

Was William's presence in Grimsby what drew some of his nephews there
later ?


Address: 286, Lower Burgess St, Great Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

CUTTING, William Head Married M 46 1835 Hawker
Branston, Norfolk<<<<<<<
CUTTING, Margaret Wife Married F 32 1849 Bolton, Yorkshire
CUTTING, Joss James Son Single M 11 1870 Schollar
Blackpool, Lancashire
CUTTING, Harriet Niece Single F 16 1865 Wisbeach, Cambridgeshire<<<<<<<<<<
PRENTICE, George Boarder Single M 21 1860 Seaman
Greenwich, Middlesex
BARLOW, James Boarder Single M 28 1853 Seaman
Liverpool, Lancashire

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Mar 2013 01:27

Co-incidence or not?

Alfred Cutting's apparently estranged wife was named Emma in the census, but according to FreeBMD marriages she may well have been Emily Lill.

One of the children of Walter and Selina Cutting is Alfred Lill Cutting.

mgnv

mgnv Report 3 Mar 2013 04:12

I thought I'ld have a look at MJ too:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F85C-S6F
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XZPM-YR4 [has d.cert]

1930 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XH6V-9KN
Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/15thcensus2421unit#page/n664/mode/1up
[Ethel immig 1921, MJ in 1922]
Ethel 1940 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VT4V-PV8


Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
HAITH Ethel Caistor 7a 629

Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
DAVIS-POYNER William L Middlesbro' 9d 705
EDMONDS Myra Middlesbro' 9d 705
HAITH Ethel Middlesbro' 9d 705
POYNER William Laurence D Middlesbro' 9d 705
WILSON Christopher Leonard Middlesbro' 9d 705

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
WILSON Doris Amelia Middlesbro' 9d 574

Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
Wilson Christopher Leonard Middlesbro' 9d 580a

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Wilson Norman R Haith Middlesbro 9d 1178

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Wilson John A T Haith Middlesbro 9d 923

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Wilson Delsa M Haith Middlesbro' 9d 1142


Deaths Sep 1917 (>99%)
WILSON John A T 0 Middlesbro 9d 604


1901 England Census Transcription
Street:5 MARSH STREET
Parish:MIDDLESBROUGH
Town:MIDDLESBROUGH
City:
County:Yorkshire (North riding)
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:ST PAUL'S
Municipal Ward:NEWPORT
Parliamentary Borough:MIDDLESBROUGH
Registration District:MIDDLESBROUGH
Registration Sub-District: Middlesbrough
Enumeration District:36
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:4578 Folio:84 Page:10

CHARLES HAITH 1853 48 Barton-on-Humber, Lincs HEAD M Blastfurnace Labourer
MARY J HAITH 1858 43 London WIFE M
FANNY ROBINSON 1876 25 Gt Grimsby, Lincs DAUGHTER W
CHARLES HAITH 1882 19 Gt Grimsby, Lincs SON S Blastfurnace Labourer
KATE HAITH 1884 17 Gt Grimsby, Lincs DAUGHTER S
ETHEL HAITH 1888 13 Gt Grimsby, Lincs DAUGHTER S
LILY HAITH 1890 11 Middlesbro, Yorks DAUGHTER
JOHN A THOMAS 1894 7 Middlesbro, Yorks GRAND SON
MARY A THOMAS 1896 5 Middlesbro, Yorks GRAND DAUGHTER
FLORENCE R ROBINSON 1900 1 Middlesbro, Yorks GRAND DAUGHTER


Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Haith Charles 48 Middlesbro' 9d 369

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
HAITH Mary Jane Middlesbro' 9d 1134
JAMES Fred Middlesbro' 9d 1134
ROBINSON Fanny Ellen Middlesbro' 9d 1134
THOMPSON James Middlesbro' 9d 1134

FreeBMD has transcribed "JAMES" accurately. The local index also says James:
Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1905 HAITH MARY J M-AA-J67-0-0119 Middlesbrough
2 1905 JAMES FRED M-AA-J67-0-0119 Middlesbrough
http://www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk/search.php

Deaths Dec 1915 (>99%)
Janes Fred 57 Middlesbro' 9d 733

Ethel 1911 Census Reference:RG14PN29308 RG78PN1696 RD535 SD3 ED45 SN174