Find Ancestors

Finally received 2nd marriage cert. states Sarah as spinster nothing in occupation, although her son would have been almost 3 years old, same father. William was a widower, maybe a marriage of convenience. It is definitely the same Sarah, her now deceased son told me.

her death cert does not list previous names and occupation stated wife of william Seddon. One of her sisters was in attendance. So obviously her and Arthur split up, she came back to her home town to give birth. Arthur recorded as father, then a few years later she married, I have not received marriage cert yet, but have got death cert. Family members told me that she married William Seddon, so she must be a bigamist. This suggests to me that Arthur stayed down south and she didnt think it would matter to use her maiden name for 2nd marriage.

Maureen - how can you know for definite that the death certificate you have for Sarah Seddon is the same woman - does it list all previous names for her?

The info from the family member may not have been accurate

To verify-or otherwise - you will need to get the cert of the Haynes-Seddon marriage to compare her father's details


As I said earlier, if it's the same woman, re-marrying in her maiden name suggests that Arthur was alive..............it will be interesting to see what she said about herself on the later marriage cert

I have the wedding cert (copy) of marriage, Sarah Haynes to Arthur Sampson. I have the original birth cert of their son, John George, I was informed by a family member (now deceased) that Sarah married again to William Seddon. I have seen entry on BMD. I also have copy of cert for her death. I have her family tree, but want to find relatives of Arthur Sampson. I have sent out requests to other tree members who have an Arthur in their family with approximate birth date and am awaiting for replies. If this does not bear fruit then I dont know what to do next.

Hello Maureen, what else you can do is order the relevant certificates from GRO to avoid speculation and taking a wrong turn.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
The marriage to Seddon needs to be compared to the 1929 marriage to make sure of Sarah's marital status and also that the father's details match on both.

Just a point about divorces, I've found a couple recently where the parties were far from affluent. Some solicitors would take cases on an "in forma pauperis" basis. I reckon they'd take these cases if they knew the co-respondent would be good for the costs.

The warrington, Lancs, Arthur Sampson sounds promising. bricklayer and builder are pretty close, son Arthur born about correct time. I'll try searching with these details on other family trees something might turn up, not sure what else I can do, thanks all. Maureen

If the woman who married Seddon is definitely the one who married Sampson, the fact that she re-married using her maiden name would suggest that she had been 'dumped'

Divorce was unusual, to say the least, for all but the most affluent.

If Arthur hadn't died, and there wasn't a divorce................!

What info is there about Sarah on the 1929 marriage cert?

Who registered the 1939 death?

This must be the woman who married Seddon

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
HAYNES Sarah Ann S. Shields 10a 947

Is this her second marriage? Can't find one for Sampson to Seddon.


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Sarah A Haynes
Name: Sarah A Haynes
Spouse Surname: Seddon
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1688
Find Spouse William A Seddon



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Sarah A Seddon
Name: Sarah A Seddon
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Durham North Eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 888

If she was widowed, surely she would have married as a Sampson?

Going through notes , can't find why I thought middle name, unless it was mentioned no living relative that would have known now though. Never thought that his father could be dead at time of marriage. Also Sarah remarried some years later, I have a copy of her death cert. she died 1939, age 37, in Jarrow, Durham. Hèr name then was Seddon. So did her and Arthur divorce or did he die? Although not got marriage cert to say whether or not she was widowed . Going to try finding that now .

Not necessarily alive. It depends on how the question about him was worded.

And you haven't explained why you included 'Edward' in your initial post

Witness to marriage, L. Aagesen, L . Tabron. Edward could be red herring. They had a son named John George born in Hebburn, Durham. Sarah was in Hebburn alone, not sure if visiting family/separated/ divorced or whatever. Arthur's father was alive at time of marriage

Did they live in Durham after they married? Makes me wonder if that was where he came from.

Only two possible births on freebmd

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
SAMPSON Arthur Bristol 6a 148

In 1911, his father (Arthur) was a Boot maker
----------------------------------------------------------------

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
Sampson Arthur Nottingham 7b 345
Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Sampson Arthur 0 Nottingham 7b 207

Maureen

Where did you get the info about his second forename?

Who witnessed the marriage?

Was his father 'deceased'?

Been looking at London Marriages

Amy Alice Sampson born 1890 married in 1915 and her father was Arthur John Sampson and I think it reads occupation of builder, deceased

BUT probably a red herring

Bother he is a carpenter in 1901

Blast that family are on 1911 census with a son called Arthur George 1904 Epping

????

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1906
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SAMPSON Arthur E West Derby Western Liverpool WDW/41/49

This is a remote possibility. I can't find an Arthur Sampson who is a builder.

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN23148 RG78PN1353 RD459 SD4 ED18 SN110
Reg. District: Warrington
Sub District: Warrington
Parish: Warrington
Enum. District: 18
Address: 5 Eldon Street Warrington
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SAMPSON, Arthur Head Married M 27 1884 Bricklayer Warrington Lancs
SAMPSON, Jane Wife Married
5 years F 25 1886 Warrington Lancs
SAMPSON, Arthur Son M 5 1906 Warrington Lancs
SAMPSON, Harry Son M 3 1908 Warrington Lancs
SAMPSON, Frank Son M 1 1910 Warrington Lancs
FORSTER, Dorothea Boarder Single F 17 1894 General Servant Warrington Lancs