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Ancestry 1851 look up PLEASE.

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 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 5 Mar 2013 20:38

I am looking for James W Hunter born 1801 Liverpool

On the 1851 census please supposed to be living with Mary his wife and Jane daughter born 1827 to 1836..and Francis Wunderley/Winderley/Wonderley/Wounderley born roughly 1811 and maybe some other children.

according to 1841 census.

1841 census tr
anscription details for: Knowl's Place, Liverpool

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 557
Book/Folio: 3/20
Page: 33
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: Howard Street, Great Vauxhall Ward
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: Knowl's Place, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
>>HUNTER, James M 40 1801 Lancashire
HUNTER, Mary F 40 1801 Lancashire
HUNTER, Willian M 20 1821 Lancashire
HUNTER, Margret F 20 1821 Lancashire
HUNTER, Mary F 15 1826 Lancashire
HUNTER, Fredric M 15 1826 Lancashire
HUNTER, Emma F 10 1831 Lancashire
HUNTER, Ann F 10 1831 Lancashire
HUNTER, Jane F 5 1836 Lancashire
HUNTER, Thos M 5 1836 Lancashire
HUNTER, Sarah F 2 1839 Lancashire


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But on the 1861 census James W was born 1799 Liverpool


1861 census transcription details for: 43, Milton Street, Liverpool

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2660
Folio: 64
Page: 10
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: 2 Howard Street
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: 7F
Ecclesiastical District: St Stephens
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 43, Milton Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
>>>HUNTER, James W Head Married M 62 1799 Cabinet Maker
Liverpool, Lancashire
HUNTER, Mary Wife F 63 1798
Liverpool, Lancashire
HUNTER, William Son Married M 42 1819 Lithographic Printer
Liverpool, Lancashire
HUNTER, Ann E Daughter In Law Married F 42 1819
Rushbury, Shropshire


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On the 1841 it looks like they have 4 sets of twins with the ages of the children but the children especially Jane Hunter has about 4 different years of birth on different cenuses and marriage.

Marriage for Jane.


Jane Hunter, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "No image available Search collection

name: Francis Wunderly
birth date: 1813
birthplace:
age: 40
spouse's name: Jane Hunter
spouse's birth date: 1827
spouse's birthplace:
>>spouse's age: 26
event date: 11 Apr 1853
event place: St. Anne'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
father's name: Joseph Wunderly
mother's name:
>>>spouse's father's name: James Wilson Hunter
spouse's mother's name:
race:
marital status: Widowed
previous wife's name:
spouse's race:
spouse's marital status: Single
spouse's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M01500-0
system origin: England-EASy
gs film number: 1656151
reference id: 193

With the age on the parish record being 26 for Jane that makes Jane born 1827.
Never Found her on a census with 1827 as birth year.


Thanks in Advance,

Sue

Mike *

Mike * Report 5 Mar 2013 20:43

mistranscribed in 1851

Name: Tonnes Hanten
[James Hunter] - Cabinet Maker
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hanten
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Howard Street

wife Mary Hanten 53
Anna Hanten 21
Jane Hanten 18 ................... born c1833 - liverpool
Thomas Hanten 17 - printer
Mery Jane Hanten 2 - granddau
Elize Hanten 1 - granddau
Margret Svacina 14 - servant
Frances Wonderley 45 - lodger - widow - clock maker - born Germany
Anthony Keniston 52 - lodger


NOTE IT'S FEMALE FRANCES NOT FRANCIS

alviegal

alviegal Report 5 Mar 2013 20:43


1851 England Census about Tonnes Hanten
Name: Tonnes Hanten
[James Hunter]
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hanten
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Howard Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 2178
Folio: 186
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Tonnes Hanten 52
Mary Hanten 53
Anna Hanten 21
Jane Hanten 18
Thomas Hanten 17
Mery Jane Hanten 2
Elize Hanten 1
Margret Svacina 14
Frances Wonderley 45
Anthony Keniston 52


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 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 5 Mar 2013 20:57

Thanks Mike ans Alviegal.

Don't wonder I could find them on the 1851 on FMP..

Both of you are brilliant.

Sue

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 7 Mar 2013 15:59

Another query about the family above please.

At what address were they living at on the 1851 Ancestry census.
Also
The little girl Elize Hanten which is supposed to be Ellen Hunter I cannot find her birth details she could have been born anywhere in Lancashire but was supposed to be born in Liverpool on all the other censuses.

I would be really grateful for any help on finding these two problems..

Thanks in advance.

Sue

Mike *

Mike * Report 7 Mar 2013 16:57

probably ....

Marriages Sep 1849
Hunter Elizabeth - Liverpool 20 273




I'm afraid I can't decipher the address.
Number 6 and the Street starts with an H but hopefully someone else may know it.

Mike *

Mike * Report 7 Mar 2013 17:05

On second thoughts maybe that Elize could be Elen ( spelt with only one L)


Maybe this one ?


Marriages Mar 1850
Hunter Ellen - Ormskirk 21 454

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 7 Mar 2013 17:16

Thanks Mike.so the address doesn't look like 43 Milton street.??

Stuart

Stuart Report 7 Mar 2013 17:38

Re your "twins" on the 1841 census - apologies if you know this but the way you have phrased the query makes it seem not -
In the 1841 Census a policy of rounding down ages was in place. As such, people aged:

15-19 were recorded as 15
20-24 were recorded as 20
25-29 were recorded as 25
30-34 were recorded as 30
35-39 were recorded as 35...and so on

Under 15 were generally recorded at the age they actually were, so It may be that there were 2 sets of twins, but the enumerator could also have rounded them down too.

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 7 Mar 2013 17:51

Stuart,

Thanks a lot,No aplogy needed and yes I do know about the rounding down of ages..

But it's the child Ellen Hunter I am looking for her birth.supposed to be 1851 or late 1850 as she is 1 yr old on the 1851 census.
Or as Mike and Alvigal says mistranscribed on Ancestry Elize Hanten on 1851.

would also like the address if anyone could decipher the name.

Thanks
Sue

Stuart

Stuart Report 7 Mar 2013 18:25

Not sure it's transcribed on FMP - can't get via Census Reference search - it's not recognising the Piece/Folio/Page nor by inputting any of the proper or "Ancestry version" of the names. The writing is dreadful, was hoping to go a few pages either side of page 30 and pick up a recognisable street name, and work back from there but no luck

Mike *

Mike * Report 7 Mar 2013 19:01

1851 Censuswas taken on Sunday 30th March 1851

so Ellen cannot be born 1851 as she is already 1 year old.

She could even have been born as far back as April 1849

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 7 Mar 2013 19:38

Thanks Everyone for your patience and persistance.

Your all Brilliant.

Sue