Find Ancestors

A BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has helped me unearth a bit more info on this branch of my family tree.
If you happen to stumble across more information or see a link to someone else posting a query in the future I'd love to hear about it.

Kindest regards
Michelle

Gins - I think that might be another Sarah Ann Jones as the location and other names don't seem to tie-in. I think the previous Sarah Janes (Jones) you mentioned in a previous post is more likely

Mary - weird how some things you find in a search seem to disappear the next time you try - it's happened to me before too. I tried looking on Genes and Ancestry for this baptism but couldn't find it. I subscribe to both sites as I like the tree structure/hints etc on Ancestry but prefer the message boards here on Genes

Gins,I can't find it now.
Diffinately saw it somewhere on there as I wrote it down.
I'll have another go.

Maryb.

Mary, I cant see that baptism at Ancestry?

Sarah Ann Jones?


1841 England Census
about Sarah Jones
Name: Sarah Jones
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Newbury
Hundred: Faircross
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Newbury
Sub-registration district: Newbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 33
Book: 5
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Elisabeth Jones 8
Mary Jones 7
Ellen Jones 6
Sarah Jones 4

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 33; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Newbury; County: Berkshire; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 16; Page: 26; Line: 25; GSU roll: 241208

On Ancestry.co.uk

Maryb.

Hi Mary

I'm trying to locate the record for Eleanor's baptism that you mentioned earlier but can't seem to find it ... can you tell me where you found it?

Many thanks,
Michelle

Hi Gins ... apologies for not getting back to you ... had to go out unexpectedly. It looks as though you found the census I was looking for ... I wonder if it is a transcription error or whether it's a different family ?? So so difficult to establish - although looking at the information Mary has given it looks as though it could be transcription error

Hi Mary ... thank you, I have been trying to find Eleanor/Ellen/Elen's baptism without much success ... I had found her siblings ... I'm just hoping that this is the same person ... she seems to change the spelling of her name rather frequently - only constant does seem to be the parents names of James and Ann so I am assuming we're all on the right track

Michelle

Eleanor Jones baptised by James and Anne 29/8/1824 in hungerford.

1841Hungerford D12 .11
James Janes/Jones

1841 Hungerford D9 >14
Elen Jones 1826 born Berkshire.


Maryb.

1841 England Census

Name: James Janes
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Hungerford
Hundred: Kintbury Eagle
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hungerford
Sub-registration district: Hungerford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 21
Book: 10
Folio: 12
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
James Janes 35 <<Ag labourer
Ann Janes 55
Louisa Janes 20
Sarah Janes 11 Mo

Michelle

Whats the folio ref for that census please?

Can I ask for some more help on this please?

I think I may have found the family on the 1841 census - I've paid for credits to read the transcription and to view the document but document is very very faint and I'm unable to read it.

On the transcription it says:
Living in Newton, Hungerford, Hungerford Union, Berkshire
James Jones - age 35, b.1806 Berkshire
Ann Jones - age 0, b.1841 (transcription error due to poor document ??)
Louisa Jones - age 0, b.1841 (transcription error due to poor document ??)
Sarah Jones - age 0, b.1841 (transcription error due to poor document ??)

Could this be Eleanor (Ellen)'s father and mother, I wonder. Has Louisa been transcribed incorrectly or could this be a sister of Eleanor's?

Is anyone able to access any better quality documentation or know how I could do this ... unfortunately, I'm unable to visit local archives as I am currently living overseas

In advance, thank you again for your help
Michelle

Oh!! Gins ... that's the only possible marriage I've seen between Eleanor (Ellen) and John Cox ... I'll have to look into this one a bit further

Thanks everyone ... the story (hopefully) is starting to come together ... all help untangling this is very much appreciated

Michelle

There is this marriage. Ell* father was James Jones, you would need the certificate to check his details


Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cartner Thomas Strand 1 447
Cox John Strand 1 447 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Fishenden Sarah Strand 1 447
JONES Ellen Strand 1 447 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Main Eliza Strand 1 447
Ramage Robert Strand 1 447
RUTTER Michael Strand 1 447
Warne Lydia Eliza Strand 1 447

Baptism (Find My Past website)
First names:Clara Amelia
Surname:Cox
Baptism year:1846
Baptism month:Jun
Baptism day:7
Parish:St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
County:Middlesex
Page:88
Birth year:1846
Birth month:Mar
Birth day:6
Father's First names:John (Servant)
Mother's First names:Ellen
Record source:Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(address, 26, Bowling Street)

Chris :)

edits (1851, could be Footman Gins?)

Oh ... what a web of mystery.

I must admit Marie Celeste I was beginning to wonder myself whether John Cox actually existed or not ... but with his name on Clara's marriage record I was leaning towards him existing but being very elusive

Very interesting that William Brown 'pops up' as one of Clara's marriage witnesses especially as it's only one year before a William Brown marries her Mother

I think I'm going to have to write all this down to see if I can untangle it

John Cox (if he did exist) was allegedly deceased when Clara married in 1865.

Interesting that her mother married William Brown, which was the name of one of the witnesses at Clara's marriage.

Possible death, they didnt waste remarrying back in thoses days!


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about John Cox
Name: John Cox
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 165

Just to clarify Clara Amelia's marriage date (not 1919 as shown in opening post):

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Clara Amelia Cox
Spouse Name: David Beazley - lamplighter
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Apr 1865
Parish: Islington Holy Trinity
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Cox - deceased
Spouse Father Name: Richard Beazley - shoe maker
Register Type: Parish Register

Bride and groom were both minors and hadn't been married before. Both were of the parish.

Witnesses were William Brown and Sarah Webb.

Taking the other researchers information (which is unsubstantiated) out of the equation, it's quite possible that John Cox never existed. Many fictitious father's were invented to save embarrassment when someone was illegitimate. Did the other researcher mention where they'd got the info from?

1851 England Census
Name: John Cox
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Westminster St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Jamess Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Piece: 1484
Folio: 340
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Fontana 45
William Lambert 57
Margaret Lambert 49
L F Cockson 45
Hannah King 24
Mary Artlett 40
Mary Ann Truckle 24
Matilda Harding 24
John Cox 35 <<<<<<<<<<<Married, I cant read his occupation?