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Thanks both for the help and advice.

Is there anything else you could recommend that I do to find more about her father Francis?

Very little point in looking for the death of a married woman in her maiden name

And you need to check the spelling you are using for her married name.

Your version is not borne out by the records found for her

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Deaths Jun 1926
Carwithen Mary- 73- Plymouth 5b 318

Looking for Holliday/Holiday and Cairwithen as well

Even if you found a baptism for Frances, it wouldn't help you with tracing her father.

What surname are you using in searching for her mother's death?

Remember, she didn't marry Townsley

Also i cant seem to find a death for her mother Mary?

Is there any other way i could find any more information about him? I have looked for a baptism record for Frances but there is not one for her or her sister and her marriage certificate gives me no further clues.

Also i cant seem to find a death for her mother Mary?

It's not for us to say.

Just that it's possible.

Do you think that this Francis on the marriage to Emma was him?

On the birth certificate it state Mary Ann Townsley previously Holliday

1871 census


Person: TOWNESLY, Francis J Address: Gun Alley, Lower, St George, East

TOWNESLY, Sarah Head F 39 1832 Leicestershire VIEW
TOWNESLY, Robert W G Son M 11 1860 Bangladesh VIEW
TOWNESLY, Francis J Son M 6 1865 Middlesex VIEW
TOWNESLY, John Son M 1 1870 Middlesex

Robert's birthplace was BENGAL

Heaven only knows what the transcriber was thinking!!!!

The man found in 1901 and 1911 does not seem to be recorded in 1891

1911 census

Person: TOWNSLEY, Violet Address: 107 Queens Road Plaistow

TOWNSLEY, Francis Head Married M 46 1865 Newsvendor Wapping London E VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Ada Wife Married17 years F 36 1875 Halstead Essex VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Violet Daughter F 13 1898 School Stepney London E VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Maggie Daughter F 10 1901 School Stepney London E VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Dorothy Daughter F 8 1903 Stepney London E VIEW
TOWNSLEY, James Son M 6 1905 Plaistow West Ham Essex VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Robert Son M 2 1909 Plaistow West Ham Essex VIEW

If nothing else, that proves there was never a marriage

1901 census


Person: TOWNSLEY, Emma A Address: 20, Halley Street, Limehouse

TOWNSLEY, Francis J Head Married M 36 1865 News Vendor
St Georges, London VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Emma A Wife Married F 27 1874
Essex VIEW
TOWNSLEY, Violet A Daughter F 3 1898
Stepney, London VIEW
TOWNSLEY, May Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901
Limehouse, London

Maybe Francis left Mary to marry Emma in 1894 ( Mary was alone on the 1901 census).

No divorce needed if they were never married.

Mary had reverted back to her married name in 1901 too ..... she was widow Carwithen not widow Townsley !


Mary A Carwithen 49 - widow <<<<<<<<<<<<
Augustus W Carwithen 26
Rosa Carwithen 18
Frances N Townsley 11
Elizabeth A Townsley 9

So that rules him out.............?

Progress....of a sort!

This would be the marriage for death found by Reggie

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Francis James Townsley
Name: Francis James Townsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 30
Spouse Name: Emma Ada Andrews
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jun 1894
Parish: Stepney St Philip
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Townsley
Spouse Father Name: Philip Andrews
Register Type: Parish Register

Andy

Reggie I think we are both of a mind that no wedding took place.

The fact the Nellie stated her father deceased in 1915 ( if in fact the 1921 death is his) probably means he was no longer part of the family.

The man's birthplace as per 1891 was Shadwell, and his age given as 28

Oops, Mike*, you were editing as I posted...........