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Thank you Potty - no, not mine, so thank you for eliminating him.

Cheers,

Peter

This is the only probate record for a John Scott dying in Yorkshire in 1861:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about John Stoker Scott
Name: John Stoker Scott
Probate Date: 12 Dec 1861
Death Date: 2 Nov 1861
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Registry: Wakefield

Effects under £20
John Stoker Scott late of Ulleskelf in the parish of Kirkby Wharf in the County of Yorkshire Corn Miller deceased died 3 November 1861 in Ulleskelf aforsaid was proved at Wakefield by the oath of John Scott of Ulleskelf aforesaid Corn Miller the son and sole executor

With this, could I see the probabte index information for the John Scott (1788-1861) father of Jane Scott?

I am hoping he left a will, but may have been to poor.

Peter

Thank you Potty.

Peter, the probate records only show who the executors of a will were and they may or may not be benificiaries. The only way to find that out is to get a copy of the will. The will of George Robinson d 1891 might possibly mention George R Scott. This site tells how to get a copy of a will:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills

I'm just wondering if the probates of other family members may help?! Hmmmmm.

I suspect not, but maybe something will be yeilded?

I've found these on the National Burial Index;

1) George's (1811-1891) father, also George Robinson (born 1779) who died 11 May 1845
2) George's (1811-1891) brother, William Robinson (born 1806) who died about 4 June 1876
3) Another brother Thomas Robinson who died about 8 August 1889.
4) Mary Ann Robinson (nee Holmes) who died about 12 May 1884.

All are buried in the churchyard at Patrick Brompton, North Yorkshire.

Finally, the probate of George Henry Robinson (born 1862) who seems to have died about 8 April 1935 and is buried in Appleton Wiske.

No rush as I don't think this will yeild anything but worth a try?!

Cheers,

Peter

Thank you Potty! And I did look for the Bastardy Orders nothing seemed to show. Hmmm interesting.

So if George Robinson (1811-1891) did father George Robinson SCOTT (1842-1890), it seems they were not connected after the birth- after all, he would of then had TWO sons named George.

With this, as I said earlier in the thread, George Robinson SCOTT went by the name of George Robinson from at LEAST 1860 when he first married. On his first marriage, Geore Robinson, a labourer, recorded no father's details. However, he was widowed a few years later and his second marriage showed him to be the son of George Robinson a labourer. Now, of course, this George Robinson was a land owning farmer.

Hmmm I don't know really. I suppose I'm looking for an answer I'll never be able to get. It would be just nice to confirm that George Robinson the farmer (1811-1891) was the father of George Robinson (Scott, 1842-1891).

Again opinions welcome. And thank you for all the support so far.

Yes, he did leave a will:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about George Robinson
Name: George Robinson
Probate Date: 8 Dec 1892
Death Date: 5 Jan 1891
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Registry: London, England

George Robinson of Hunters Hill, Hornby, Yorkshire, Yeoman; probate to George Henry Robinson, Farmer, effects £467

Thank you again Potty - as George died in 1891, I assume he must have left a will?

Is there one?

Thank you again for all of this help!

George in 1881:

1881 England Census
about George Robinson
Name: George Robinson
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A. Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Hornby in Leyburn
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Hunters Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farmer Of 220 Acres Employing 2 Men & 1 Boy

Registration district: Leyburn
Sub-registration district: Leyburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4874
Folio: 114
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
George Robinson 69
Mary A. Robinson 56
George H. Robinson 19
Ann Binks 19
James Crabtree 22
William Johnson 18


1871 England Census
about George Robinson
Name: George Robinson
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: M Ann Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Brompton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Hornby
Ecclesiastical parish: Hornby
Town: Hornby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leyburn
Sub-registration district: Leyburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 4869
Folio: 118
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
George Robinson 58
M Ann Robinson 46
William Robinson 64
G Henry Robinson 9
William Blenkinsop 19
Ralf Calvert 16
Elizabeth Aldeon 16



1861 England Census
about George Robinson
Name: George Robinson
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Hornby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Leyburn
Sub-registration district: Leyburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 3669
Folio: 38
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 54
George Robinson 48
Mary Ann Robinson 36
George Vetty 56
James Carling 19
William Granger 15
Mary Metcalfe 27
Isabella Craw 13

Very possible that George Robinson was George Scott's father but Jane may just have named him after her employer's son - you could try searching for a baptism or Bastardy Order - this site has some for North Yorkshire:

http://archives.northyorks.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl

Thank you Potty! Much appreciated again.

Can I ask for look ups for George and his wife Mary Ann Holmes? I have a possibility of George dying about 6 January 1891 (looked on the burial index 3, in Patrick Brompton). It also seems from looking at the IGI using the 1841 that he was born 26 August 1811, and was baptised in Patrick Brompton, Yorkshire.

His parents were George and Alice Robinson (nee Stephenson).

His brother William was born 26 August 1806. So, it seems both may have been a bit liberal with their ages on the 1851 census.

It seems most LIKELY he was the father of George Robinson SCOTT, based on his age. So, he is in fact an ancestor of mine. What do you think?

Cheers,

Peter

Possible for George Robinson in 1851:

1851 England Census
about George Robinson
Name: George Robinson
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Brother
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Scotton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Hornby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Leyburn
Sub-registration district: Middleham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 2379
Folio: 226
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 40
George Robinson 36 - married
Mary Ann Robinson 27
George Allan 17
Margaret Bowman 17
Edward Holmes 22 - brother-in-law
Francis Savage 8

and this marriage:

Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
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Black Ellen Northallerton 24 487
******Holmes Mary Ann Northallerton 24 487
Lambert William Northallerton 24 487
******Robinson George Northallerton 24 487
Walls Robert Northallerton 24 487
Wheatley Mary Northallerton 24 487

Peter

I have sent you the images of the 1841 for Jane Scott and the 1851 for George R Scott. I will see if I can find the Robinsons in 1851.

Hi Potty! Yes! Oh my word! I ASSUME that the George Robinson is the 1841 is the father of my ancestor George Robinson (1842-1890)! Oh my word. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

HOw bizarre! Can I see the origonal of this please? And do the family appear in the 1851?! Oh wow! Thank you so much. This would explain a lot and allow me to research a branch of my family that is usually not possible for other cases of illegitimacy!

Also, thank you for the probate and the yes, you have the Scott-Russell marriage! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Peter

Could this be Jane in 1841 with possibly a clue to George Robinson Scott's father?:

1841 England Census
about Jane Scott
Name: Jane Scott
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Scotton
Hundred: East Hang
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Catterick
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1250
Book: 17
Folio: 5
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Geo Robinson 60
Thos Robinson 80
Wm Robinson 30
Thos Robinson 30
Geo Robinson 25
Jane Scott 20
Johanah Terry 5

Miles Russell/Jane Scott marriage?:

Marriages Jun 1844 (>99%)
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JOHNSON Robert Northallerton 24 437
Moses Robert Northallerton 24 437
RUSSELL Margaret Northallerton 24 437
>>>>>RUSSELL Miles Northallerton 24 437
>>>>>SCOTT Jane Northallerton 24 437
SEDGWICK Elizabeth Northallerton 24 437

William Hauxwell's probate:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about William Hauxwell
Name: William Hauxwell
Probate Date: 8 Dec 1913
Death Date: 13 Nov 1913
Death Place: Durham, England
Registry: Durham, England

15 Berwick St, Seaton Carew, to Francis Hauxwell and William Hauxwell, railway clerks, effects £403 12s 4d

Thank you this is great. Yes, I descend from the George Robinson Scott, show as the step son in the 1851 census. Fascinating.

I have looked for the Hauxwell's in the 1881 but nothing ... are they about after 1871, in the census not shown here?

Can I please have a look up for William's probabte (assuming he had one)?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1913 (>99%)
Hauxwell William 68 Hartlepool 10a 145 Scan available - click to view

Thank you again for all of your help!

1861 I think that Ann Russell is shown as BUSSELL b 1845 Great Langton

Class: RG 9; Piece: 3663; Folio: 75; Page: 1; GSU roll: 543169.