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John Dickson

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Fredk

Fredk Report 11 Mar 2013 13:52

Flip

Fredk

Fredk Report 11 Mar 2013 11:56

Catherine
For info
In your post of 10 March 2013 at 2148
Tried using on GU Piece 309 Folio 43 Page 27 for 1861 Census and it comes back no results
Again thanks for all your help


Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:58

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emily Ann Cole
Name: Emily Ann Cole
Spouse Name: James Dickson
Occupation:- Merchants Clerk
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Oct 1874
Parish: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Isaac Cole
Occupation: M. Rigger
Spouse Father Name: John Purvis Dickson
Occupation:- Engineer
Register Type: Parish Register

Father of James is also Jon Purvis Dickson so James is the brother of John Purvis Dickson.
How different the two sister's lives turned out to be. Looks like Martha picked the short straw, poor Martha!

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:48

This looks to be the other John Purvis Dickson in 1911:-

DICKSON, James Head Married M 62 1849 Director Of Public Company Liverpool VIEW
DICKSON, Emily Ann Wife Married 36 years F 59 1852 Parish of Poplar Middlesex VIEW
DICKSON, John Purvis Son Single M 33 1878 Managing Director Company Parish of South Hackey Middlesex VIEW
COLE, Florence Ada Sister In Law Single F 40 1871 Parish of Poplar Middlesex VIEW
HOOKE, Clara Cook Single F 40 1871 Cook Domestic Birmingham VIEW
TREMAINE, Elleb Housemaid Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Domestic Tottenham Middlesex VIEW
TREMAINE Domestic Help Widow F 52 1859 Domestic Help Kent VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3524 Reference: RG14PN3524 RG78PN131 RD40 SD2 ED27 SN207 Registration District: Kingston Sub District: Kingston Enumeration District: 27 Parish: Coombe Address: The Beeches Kingston Hill County: Surrey

His mother was Emily Ann Cole who was Martha's sister:-

1861 England Census about Emily A Cole
Name: Emily A Cole
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac Cole
Mother's name: Martha Cole
Gender: Female
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 309
Folio: 43
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Cole 40
Martha Cole 39
xxxx Martha S Cole 18 xxxx
Isaac I Cole 16
Thos G Cole 15
Alanander Cole 13
Adolphus Cole 11
Emily A Cole 9
Alace Cole 7
Charles C Cole 4
Francis Cole 3
Ellen Cole 8 Months
Mary M Philpott 18

...............so wondering if two brothers married two sisters?

1871 England Census about Emily Cole
Name: Emily Cole
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac Cole
Mother's name: Martha Cole
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 247
Piece: 583
Folio: 54
Page Number: 41
Isaac Cole 51
Martha Cole 48
Alexander Cole 23
Emily Cole 19
Alice Cole 16
Charles Cole 14
Frances Cole 12
Ellen Cole 10
Llewellen Cole 8
Allen Cole 5
xxxxx Florence Cole 1 xxxxx
Isabella Stevens 20
Emma Reilly 22

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:31

John Purvis Dickson, "England and Wales Census, 1911"

Name: John Purvis Dickson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 71
Birthplace: Scotland Greenock Resident, Renfrewshire
Schedule Type: Institution
Registration District: Isle Of Wight
Sub-District: Newport
Parish: Carisbrooke
County: Hampshire

Married
Occupation:- Traveller Rubber Goods

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:29

John Purvis Dixon, "England and Wales Census, 1891"

Name: John Purvis Dixon
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Relationship to Head of Household: Convict
Birthplace: Greenock
Schedule Type: Institution
Registration District: Weymouth
Sub-District: Portland
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Peters
Parish: Castletown
County: Dorsetshire

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:12

There is just one other John Purvis Dickson but he was born in 1877:-

Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
DICKSON John Purvis Hackney 1b 565

..................................... so the Criminal Records can't be this one.

Fredk

Fredk Report 10 Mar 2013 21:10

Catherine

Thanks for the additional information

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:04

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Date of Trial: 14 Dec 1885
Trial Year: 1885
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: 2 Convictions of Fraud before convicted of a crime
Sentence:- 5 years
5 years the second to commence on the expiration of the first.

.............so 1891 John was probably still in prison.

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 21:00

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Date of Trial: 3 Mar 1884
Trial Year: 1884
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Acquittal
Crime: Larceny
Date of Execution or Release:
Sentence:- Not Guilty

.......................................................

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Date of Trial: 19 Apr 1884
Trial Year: 1884
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Acquittal
Crime: Larceny
Sentence:- Not Guilty

....................................................

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Date of Trial: 20 Oct 1884
Trial Year: 1884
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: Fraud before convicted of a crime
Sentence:- 12 months

Fredk

Fredk Report 10 Mar 2013 20:57

Unlikely to be two John Purvis Dicksons of the same age and missing. Bit of a chancer

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 20:54

If 1881 and 1901 are your man, then these may also be relevant????:-

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Date of Trial: 15 Jul 1878
Trial Year: 1878
Location of Trial: Sussex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: Larceny after a previous conviction for Felony
Date of Execution or Release:
Sentence:- 12 calender months hard labour no order for police supervision.

Also :- Misdemenour obtaining goods and money by false pretences
Sentence:- No sentence on this indichment

And :- Same as above.
Sentence:- Not proceeded with.

Fredk

Fredk Report 10 Mar 2013 20:33

Thanks all for the infomation So thats where he was. Looks like the 1901 Widow bit was a cover up

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 20:25

1901 :-

1901 Scotland Census about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Convict (Prisoner)
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 232/1
Registration district: Peterhead
Civil parish: Peterhead
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: By Peterhead
Occupation: Marine Engineer
ED: H M General Convict Prison
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_77

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 20:22

1881 John was in Prison:-

1881 England Census about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Scotland
Civil parish: Lidford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: "Her Majesty Convict Prison"Princetown
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Commission Agent
Registration district: Tavistock
Sub-registration district: Tavistock
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Convict Prison
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2219
Folio: 121
Page Number: 38

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 20:19

1871 England Census about John Purvis Dickson
Name: John Purvis Dickson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Susanna Dickson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: Hackney St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 321
Folio: 146
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Purvis Dickson 26 - Timber ? Merchant - also Shop Owner
Martha Susanna Dickson 27
Jno Percy Alexr Dickson 2
Albert Jas Cole Dickson 2 Months
Charlotte Goodfellow 28
Margaret Hood 17
Janet Ritchel 80

Catherine

Catherine Report 10 Mar 2013 20:16

For ref:-

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Martha Susannah Cole
Name: Martha Susannah Cole
Spinster
Spouse Name: John Purvis Dickson
Bachelor
Occupation;- Wine Merchant
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Oct 1868
Parish: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Isaac Cole
Occupation:- Stevedore
Spouse Father Name: John Purvis Dickson
Occupation:- Ship Builder
Register Type: Parish Register

....................................................................

1881 England Census about Martha Dickson
Name: Martha Dickson
[Martha Cole]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac Cole
Mother's name: Martha Cole
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 58 East India Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 507
Folio: 153
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Cole 64
Martha Cole 58
Charles Cole 25
Frances Cole 22
Ellen M. Cole 20
Llewellyn Cole 19
Allen Cole 17
Florence Cole 11
Martha Dickson 38
Perry Dickson 12
Edith Dickson 6
Alice Peat 16
..............................................

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Percy A Dickson
Name: John Percy A Dickson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1882
Age at Death: 13
Registration district: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 474

Fredk

Fredk Report 10 Mar 2013 20:00

Martha Dickson nee Cole B 1843 Poplar Married John Dickson in 1868
In 1881 Census she her son Perry and daughter Edith are with her parents Isaac and Martha Cole
Cannot find in 1891 Census
In 1901 Census she is a Widow living on her own means with daughter Edith
In 1911 she is Head of family married and with daughter Edith
All through this there is no sign of husband John
How in 1901 she was a Widow and yet in 1911 she was still married.
Where on earth was John