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On a recent post it was suggested that a death could be found by using the DOB. I have tried this on FreeBMD, but all I get is "not a valid DOB" Any suggestions? Bob

Just to add a bit more to my post, I am looking for death for Amy Spencer, born 27th October 1888. She disappears after the 1911 census. She may or may not have married. Bob

If the person died after 1969 then the death may be found by using the birthdate

Name: Amy Bishop
Birth: 27 Oct 1888
Death: Jun 1979 - Solihull South, West Midlands, England

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006


Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries


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Name: Amy Golder
Birth: 27 Oct 1888
Death: Mar 1977 - Thanet, Kent, England

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006


Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries


Name: Amy Julia Peacock
Birth: 27 Oct 1888
Death: Feb 1985 - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006


Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries


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Name: Amy Lanham Penfold
Birth: 27 Oct 1888
Death: Mar 1981 - Gravesend, Kent, England

Thanks for that Jax. Two possibles there, I can exclude the two with middle names. Bob

Hi, Bob -
Following on from your reminder about Amy on your other thread:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1341508

Did you investigate the two possible deaths suggested by Jax?
What was the result?

Hardly any post-1969 deaths are on freebmd

You have to use a site for which you pay to input the DOB as a search tool

Bob - where was she in 1911?

I don't see her in 1911, either. She was still alive in 1911 - the census record says her parents had 8 children, all still living

for our ref., here she is in 1901:


1901 England Census about Amy Spencer
Name: Amy Spencer
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Mother: Thyrza Spencer
Birth Place: Buntingford, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Layston
Ecclesiastical parish: Layston
Town: Buntingford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1291
Folio: 79
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members:
Name Age
Thyrza Spencer 35
Charley Spencer 13
Amy Spencer 12
Herbert Spencer 10
Eleanor Spencer 9
Sidney Spencer 7
Grace Spencer 4
Lily Spencer 2

Just a suggestion: [EDIT: On second thoughts, probably far too wild a guess to pay much attention to.]

this is the only Hertfordshire marriage of an Amy Spencer without a middle name, 1906-50 -
Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
Moore William Spencer Edmonton 3a 910
Spencer Amy Moore Edmonton 3a 910

If that were to be her, then there are these possible deaths:

Deaths Jun 1945 (>99%)
Moore Amy 56 Hendon 3a 587

Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
Moore Amy 29 Leicester 7a 623

Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%)
Moore Amy 78 Derby 3a 284


Or, if she didn't marry:

Deaths Sep 1941 (>99%)
Spencer Amy 52 Brentford 3a 361

Deaths Mar 1969 (>99%)
SPENCER AMY 81 SURREY N W 5G 325

Here she is in 1911, in Sleaford Union Workhouse, looks like with two illegitimate children:


1911 England Census about Auy Spencer
Name: Auy Spencer
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Braughing, Herts
Civil Parish: Quarrington New Sleaford
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Formerby Domestic Servant
Registration district: Sleaford
Registration District Number: 416
Sub-registration district: Sleaford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21-22
Piece: 19648
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Edward Ayre 40
Rose Ayre 45
Edward Dundonald Ayre 11
Gwendoline Ayre 7
Alice Clara Clark 38
Stella Foss 22
Edward Brown 50
Ernest Shelton 8
Sturton Thomas Sturton 78
Charles Norris 51
William Hooton 72
Betsy Hooton 60
Tom Bavin 59
Sarah Stott 88
Auy Spencer 22 single, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Cecily Marshall Spencer 2 b. Grimsby, Lincs.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Harry Spencer 8/12 b. Bishop's Stortford <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

(and many other inmates)



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Cicely Marshall Spencer
Name: Cicely Marshall Spencer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1909
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 618


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Harry Spencer
Name: Harry Spencer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Registration district: Bishop's Stortford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 744

Oh, how sad:

Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)
Spencer Cecily M 23 Lincoln 7a 476

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
SPENCER Harry 1 Sleaford 7a 527

County Lincolnshire
Place Goxhill
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 1834
BurialDate 07 Sep 1970
Forename Amy
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SPENCER
Age 72
Abode Thornton Road, Goxhill
Notes Cremated

(age out, but above, from below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

County Lincolnshire
Place Sleaford
Church Municipal Cemetery
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 15 Sep 1911
Forename Harry
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SPENCER
Age 14m


Lincolnshire Cemetery Registers Transcription (Find My Past)
First Name CECILY MARSHALL
Last Name SPENCER
Country England
Record set Lincolnshire Cemetery Registers
County Lincolnshire
Year 1932
First Names Cecily Marshall
Month Aug
Year Of Birth 1909
Age 23
Place LINCOLN, CANWICK RD ST SWITHINS
Abode Lincoln,St Hugh St
Notes More in records
Year 1932
Year Of Death 1932
Reference C21
Source LIN CR


http://www.roystonfhs.org.uk/JournalPages/2010Journal/gracespencer.html

Amy Spencer was born 1888 not 1898 chris

Would this be the death it relates to?


Deaths Sep 1970 (>99%)

SPENCER Amy Penton 20Mr1898 Scunthorpe 3b 951

Apparently Amy had three illegitimate children, per Bob's threads about other members of the Spencer family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1308772

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1318633


Is one of these your m-i-l's birth, Bob? The place might be a slight clue re a later marriage or death:

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Spencer Grace Spencer Bradford 9b 353

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Spencer Grace A J Spencer Basford 7b 443

That puzzled me a bit too Jax...

(she could have been the wife of below too, so possibly no connection!)

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Goxhill
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 1735
BurialDate 21 Feb 1961
Forename Frank Bertram
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SPENCER
Age 70
Abode Goxhill

Chris :)


(from the Royston link posted earlier, below was 87 Wintringham Road, Grimsby, if you didn't find it)

1911
Lois Robinson 63 Head Widow Female 1848 South Thoresby Lincs Midwife
Edith Robinson 13 Daughter - Female 1898 Grimsby Lincs -
Mary Kirk 0 Adopted - Female 1911 Grimsby Lincs
Address 87 Wintringham Road Grimsby
Parish Great Grimsby
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Registration district Grimsby
Registration district number 422
Subdistrict Great Grimsby
Subdistrict number 1
Enumeration district 3
Piece number 19948
Schedule number 217
Census reference RG14

Reggie - you don't have to pay.
DOB only appears on d.certs after 1969q1, and FreeBMD has only 5 completed quarters post 1969q1. However, you can search deaths using DOB on Ancestry via:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7579
Although Ancestry won't let you view their transcription directly without a sub (for post-1915 certs), they will place an order for a d.cert (or b./m.cert), but after their mark-up for placing the order, the cost is abt 250% of what you'ld pay if you placed the order yourself.
However, if you click on the shopping basket, they will show you what they would order, and this contains almost all the details in the GRO index - the main details omitted are DOB/age on d.certs, spousal name on m.certs, and mother's maiden surname on b.certs. Even if FreeBMD haven't transcribed the entry yet, you can view FreeBMD's image of the printed page (i.e., thru 1983) via the view images link on their home page. It's a klunky interface, but it will get you there eventually.

It's Grace born Bradford 1912 according to Bob's tree on ancestry.

"Grace was born in the W/H in Bradford and was brought up, for the first 3 or 4 years in an orphanage run by Anglican Nuns in Paddington. She then went to a charity school in Chingford, London E4 until she was 14." ... from the tree.

What bothers me is how this particular Amy Spencer has been arrived at - the birth is out of the area for the 2 earlier births and there are lots of Amy Spencers around, so what proves you are following the right one? The b/c would only give her name, occupation and address but not her age - no official adoptions back in 1912 so no file available - and how did m-i-l know she had siblings? Unless, of course Cecily was at the same orphanage/school.

What occupation/address did Amy give on Grace's birth cert - I know you've said she was born in the W/H but that could just be the hospital was there another address?

http://www.roystonfhs.org.uk/JournalPages/2010Journal/gracespencer.html

(above gives below, worth a read)


To start with I had only a Birth Certificate and some anecdotal evidence to go on. The Birth Certificate indicated that Grace was born on 19th July 1912 at 217 Horton Lane, Horton, Bradford in the West Riding of Yorkshire. Her mother was Amy Spencer, a parlour maid of the same address. No name was given for the father, indicating that Grace was born out of wedlock...

Chris :)