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If you do not know where places are just use google maps (or similar).
I keep it open all the time, and use it to find places and to look up distances between places.
I also google search on 'the placename' and 'genuki' for lots of information.

Have been unable to find Andrew and Sarah Barnes, but have come across John Andrew Barnes in Suffolk. Finding it difficult working from Australia as not sure where places are located. Have discounted all previous theories re Rev John, just need Andrew & Sarah's details. I have come across a Barnes family in Suffolk ages ago who were quite well off but computer ate details.

Are you sure Rev. John Barnes who died 1818 is connected?, how is he mentioned in the Bible you have...(posted earlier is a link for his Will, these give valuable info. too)

And the same for John and Mary English, what details are written for their Marriage (when & where)...

(can't see why Rev. John would be 'adopted out', seems he did very well in Suffolk!)

Chris :)

(perhaps a lot of info. written in Bible to take in and digest)

Agree re "green leaf"!
My thought re Andrew and Sarah being Rev John's parents ....John B and Mary English may also be Andrews brother and I have other cases in my tree where a brother adopted his son to his wealthier brother/cousin as was common in that time. Is this a possibility?

(seeems to be a lot about these on google)

Not sure where John Barnes and Mary English fit, and where did they Marry?...

Chris :)

Chris...the info you gave is 100% correct on Rev John buried 1818.

Ellen Nellie Bygrove Barnes (GGMa) 1860-1923 = Herbert Owen
Father..Francis Bygrove Barnes(1809-1871) =Margaret Hares
" " " ...Richard Barnes (1770-1817) =Hannah Collins
All above are from the family bible and were in Australia and have BMD certificates, Census etc

Rev John and Mary English I have their marriage cert. which my aunt obtained from LDS.

The "Bygrove" in names was from a sister who became Lady Bygrove when married. It was my mothers middle name also.
Richard and Hannah may have travelled with the army as there is one son died aged11 buried in Egypt.
Frances and Margaret married in India and some of the children were born there. He was in the British Army/Navy and was a sea Captain.

Regarding Andrew and Sarah, he is listed as a grocer, so it may be possible that son John was sent to better off relatives to complete his education.
I think the USA connection is a false lead, as the family were predominantly C of E or Methodist (Uniting church).

Think things were wrong anyway, as Rev. John Burial in 1818, he wouldn't be Marrying 1834!!.

Why not say who you are working back from, and give details from Certificates that you have... (also, ignore any 'green leaf'' hints from Ancestry, if that is where you got all above info. from, it only serves to confuse, until proven!)

Chris :)

Have you contacted anyone who has any of your family in their tree to see if they know who lived/stayed in America, and what happened to their sons/daughters, and even who were their fathers?

I like the idea of the 2 Plymouth's being mixed up.

Also, what does the following that you posted, mean:
'John is 85% his father'

Thank-you

Maybe Johnathon 1643 returned to England? Or some of his children did, or maybe we are just barking up the wrong tree....

Chris., OMG have not come across Andrew and Sarah before! If they are the parents then it wipes out a lot of the info above, but will see where that takes me . Any idea who Andrew's parents were....Possibly could be Rev John = Mary English???

Baptism
County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 30 Jun 1721
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename Andrew
MotherForename Sarah
FatherSurname BARNS

Burial
County Suffolk
Place Lakenheath
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 26 Jan 1818
Forename John
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname BARNES
Age 96
Abode
Notes The Reverend John Barnes

(as says in University admission, Son of Andrew, Born in Suffolk)

Chris :)


Will of Reverend John Barnes, Clerk of Lakenheath , Suffolk
Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers. Will of Reverend John Barnes, Clerk of Lakenheath , Suffolk.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm

I am confused. How could son Jonathan be born in England in 1643 if his father was in America? According to the AmericanAncestors site linked by Vicci, the children were born in Plymouth, Massachusets.

Chris Ho, yes this is the right John Barnes and I have that info.
Ok, so as I have it now in descending order

John Barnes 1608 =Mary Plummer
Johnathon 1643= Elizabeth Hedge
Rev John1680 = Mary English
Rev John 1731 = Ann Park

Does that look right? Wish they had called sons Elvis/Fred, anything but John!!

Beverly, yes my thoughts also re Plymouth, that was why I got stumped at John and Mary, but checked out the Mayflower site above and it is a possibility still

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: John Barnes
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ann Park
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Apr 1834
Parish: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

(seems to be a lot of bits on google, somebody has above)

Chris :)

Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900
Name: John Barnes
College: CAIUS
Entered: 1740
Died: 21 Jan 1818
More Information: Adm. pens. (age 18) at CAIUS, Nov. 27, 1740. S. of Andrew, grocer, of Lakenheath, Suffolk. B. there. Schools, Brandon and Bury. Matric. 1740-1; Scholar, 1741-5; B.A. 1744-5. Ord. deacon (Norwich) June 9, 1745; priest, Sept. 22, 1745. R. of Coney Weston, Suffolk, 1745-1818; of Barningham, 1745-1818. Died at Lakenheath, Jan. 21, 1818, aged 97. M.I. there. (Venn, II. 48.)

(also info. on google relating to above)

It looks to me that some people have mixed up Plymouth Devon with Plymouth Massachusetts :-S

Thanks for that, looks as tho we are on the right track! Explains a lot :-)

http://www.plymouthancestors.org/

http://www.americanancestors.org/pilgrim-families-john-barnes/

Now I'm totally confused.....were they on the Mayflower? I am on Ancestry, but no info sent yet. Just checked and yes it was Johnathon 1643 married to Elizabeth Hedge. Maybe they were on the Mayflower as it seems to be a very religiously inclined family.

It is his father John that I have married to a Mary.

G son Rev John Barnes 1731-1819 (grad Caius College Cambridge.) married Ann Park(London Banns copied)
His father Rev John Barnes 1680-1749 married Elizabeth Hedge, all this is correct.
John is 85% his father and was married to a Mary :-S

there is alot of information on ancstry recording the John Barnes and MAry Plummer