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Sgt Thomas W Brock RAFVR

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Paul

Paul Report 19 Mar 2013 22:11

Thanks for all the info - will take some time to go thru it all. Will let you know what the outcome is.

Many thanks

Paul

Choccy

Choccy Report 19 Mar 2013 19:10



address on marriage certificate is 15 Aintree Street, Fulham


1901

RG number RG13
Piece: 55
Folio: 68
Page: 67
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: North-West Fulham
Parish: Fulham
Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Peter
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 15, Aintree Street, Fulham
County: London


ROWLAND, John Head Married M 51 1850 Sweep
Brighton, Sussex
ROWLAND, Ellen Wife Married F 42 1859
Kensington, London
ROWLAND, Nellie Daughter Single F 21 1880 Laundry Hand
Chelsea, London
>>>>>ROWLAND, William H Son Single M 17 1884 Laundry Carman
Fulham, London
ROWLAND, George L Son Single M 4 1897 Laundry Van Boy
Fulham, London
ROWLAND, Kate Daughter Single F 12 1889
Fulham, London
ROWLAND, Florrie Daughter Single F 10 1891
Fulham, London
ROWLAND, Annie Daughter Single F 7 1894
Fulham, London
ROWLAND, Thomas Son Single M 3 1898
Fulham, London
ROWLAND, Lily Daughter Single M 0 1901
Fulham, London

patchem

patchem Report 19 Mar 2013 19:09

There are 2 Rowland/Lefevre births in free bmd, Doreen R and Audrey L.

Worth looking to see who has them in their trees on here.

Choccy

Choccy Report 19 Mar 2013 19:07



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Rosetta Kirby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Henry William Rowland (Laundry carman)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Sep 1903
Parish: Fulham St Peter
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Harry Kirby (Stone mason)
Spouse Father Name: John Rowland (Chimney sweep)
Register Type: Parish Register

witnesses - Clara Kirby and George Wiltshire


Choccy

Choccy Report 19 Mar 2013 19:04



possibly -

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

JONES Annie Fulham 1a 625
>>>>KIRBY Rosetta Fulham 1a 625
>>>>Rowland Henry William Fulham 1a 625
Sansom Frederick Fulham 1a 625



1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 55
Folio: 30
Page: 52
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: North-West Fulham
Parish: Fulham
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Augustine
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Aintree Street, Fulham
County: London


KIRBY, Henry Albert Head Married M 47 1854 Stonemason
Faversham, Kent
KIRBY, Emma Wife Married F 44 1857 Laundress
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
KIRBY, Henry Wm Son Single M 20 1881 Joiner
Weymouth, Dorsetshire
>>>>>KIRBY, Rosetta Daughter Single F 18 1883 Dom Servant
Putney, London
KIRBY, Frank Son Single M 17 1884 Labr Gen
Putney, London
KIRBY, Clara Daughter Single F 16 1885 Mothers Help
Fulham, London

Choccy

Choccy Report 19 Mar 2013 18:49



?
death of William

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006

Name: William Rowland
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 331


Choccy

Choccy Report 19 Mar 2013 18:46


same address as 1911 census


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Rosetta Rowland
Year: 1927
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Fulham East and West
Street Address: 121 Sherbrooke Road


living with William Rowland and John Albert Rowland



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Rose Ellen Rowland
Year: 1936
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Fulham East and West
Street Address: 121 Sherbrooke Road

living with Mrs Rosetta Rowland



John Albert Rowland and Rosamund Violet Rowland are living at 115 Sherbrooke Road in 1936


patchem

patchem Report 19 Mar 2013 18:17

John Albert Rowland
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1905
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1982
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Avon
Volume: 22
Page: 0123

There is a marriage in Fulham in 1930, but other marriages for John A in other parts of London.

John A Rowland
Spouse Surname: Lefevre
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1930
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 952
Rosamond V M Lefevre Rowland Jul-Aug-Sep 1930 Fulham London

Rosamund V M Rowland
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Lewes
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 465

patchem

patchem Report 19 Mar 2013 18:08

Not a commission agent for Father
1911 England Census
William Rowland Age in 1911: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 121 Sherbrooke Road, Fulham S W
Marital Status: Married Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1911
Occupation: CHIMNEY SWEEP
Registration district: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Piece: 286
William Rowland 27
Rose Rowland 26
John Rowland 6
Rose Rowland 1
Harry Kirby 42
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 286.

patchem

patchem Report 19 Mar 2013 18:01

I added almost immediately to the 1911 census that I posted that it was the wrong one, as there were 2 Rose Ellens born in 1909.

I left it so that it could be discounted.

I could not see the correct one so was waiting for information as to Rose's father, which we now have.

This birth is same district:
Births Jun 1905
Rowland John Albert Fulham 1a 316

Added:
John Albert Rowland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1905 (Birth March 19th 1905)
Father's Name: William Rowland (laundry carman)
Mother's name: Rosetta Rowland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Fulham St Peter
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Parish Registers

Barry

Barry Report 19 Mar 2013 17:50

I stand corrected

Paul

Paul Report 19 Mar 2013 17:26

The witnesses are :
Either L.A or J.A Rowland ( unclear writing) and
T Brock

Witness on Rose Ellen's death cert : J A Rowland - Brother.

Rose ellen's father on marriage cert is William Rowland (deceased)
Commission Agent -- Not Frederick J

Gins

Gins Report 19 Mar 2013 16:23

Paul

What are the names of the witnesses on the marriage certificate please?

Paul

Paul Report 19 Mar 2013 15:53

Thanks for all your replies - made interesting reading.
Surname definately BROCK Thomas W Sgt RAFVR 44(R)Sqn
Married Rose Ellen ROWLAND 08 June 1936 St Clements Church, Fulham.
Father's professions:
Thomas Brock - Caretaker
William Rowland - Commission Agent.
I have a death for a Rose Ellen BROCK 20/08/1966 University College Hosp - St Pancras.The witness to the death islisted as J.A Rowland - Brother 82 Oakfield Drive, Hawley, Surrey but I cannot trace him at the moment

I know Thomas was an only child but I am trying to locate any family on Rose Ellen's side of the family. I cannot trace any children from the marriage and Thomas was killed in action 22/23 Nov 1942.

So , it is only Rose Ellen's side that I need to complete this stem of my tree.

Regards

Paul

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 19 Mar 2013 07:55

I sent Paul one of my messages on how to return to his thread but, unfortunately, it hasn't been opened as yet.


Several members seem to have Rose Ellen in their tree on this site. Paul, if you click on Search and then on Search All Trees, and enter Rose's details, you will see what I mean. You have the option of contacting the tree owner for further information. Good luck.

Choccy

Choccy Report 18 Mar 2013 21:42



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Thomas William Brock
Year: 1936
County or Borough: Barnet
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hendon
Street Address: 17 Caddington Road

living with Rose Ellen Brock
together with Ernest Edgington Baker and Florence Lilian Baker



still all at the same address in 1939

patchem

patchem Report 18 Mar 2013 21:24

As it is the poster's cousin, does he know of any children?
However, he did put that he was looking for relations of Rose, so I was assuming possibly no children and he wanted her siblings.
Or, she married again.
However, if born 1909, and no children up to 1947, chances of further children less likely.
Does he know if the two were together until the husband's death?

Flip

Flip Report 18 Mar 2013 21:18

Well, after all the crap with the RR, I can't see a Broak/Rowland birth in the period.

Lets all forget the RR (or RR'er) and try to help

This is an innocent poster who has been "targeted" yet again. GR YOU NEED TO MONITOR YOUR SYSTEM

I'm not getting anythin of use for the poster, but I'm sure someone will find somethiing of use?

patchem

patchem Report 18 Mar 2013 20:40

?
1911 England Census about Rose Ellen Rowland
Name: Rose Ellen Rowland
Age in 1911: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female
Birth Place: Minster
Civil parish: St Margaret and St John
County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 13A Peabody Buildings, Old Pye St, Westminster
Registration district: St George, Hanover Square
Registration District Number: 5 Sub-registration district: St Margaret and St John ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 484
Mary Rowland 28, widow, married 7 years, 5 children, 4 living
Frederick William Rowland 6 and 1/2
Mary Elizabeth Rowland 3 and 1/2
Rose Ellen Rowland 2
Mararget Jane Rowland 6 weeks
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 484.

Added: The above is the wrong one. There are 2 births in 1909:

Births Mar 1909
ROWLAND Rose Ellen St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 433
Births Sep 1909
Rowland Rose Ellen Fulham 1a 270

patchem

patchem Report 18 Mar 2013 20:29

This thread thanks someone who sent a pm directly without contributing to the thread.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1321384

But Paul has not yet returned to this thread, which is what we are meant to be helping on, and I have only just read the original opening query.

Paul,
Have you got the marriage certificate for Rose's Father's name?
Thanks