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Re; John Carr b1811 & wife Susannah b1814 Scotland

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wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 20:29

I am looking for any information on the above people, I know they were born in Scotland and moved to Durham I am looking for marriage records but I think they were married in Scotland as all their children were born in Scotland

Petra

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Mar 2013 20:39

Hi Petra, you'll need to look on Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Might be worth a try on FamilySearch first, just in case https://familysearch.org

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 20:40

Oh OK thank you for that

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 18 Mar 2013 20:43

Civil Registration began in Scotland in 1855 before that you would need the Old Parish Registers so as already suggested start with family search

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 20:47

Ok thanks

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Mar 2013 20:48

Do you know where in Scotland the children were born, or their names, which might help with a search?
There are lots of John Carr's and Kerr's on Scotlands People.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Mar 2013 20:50

Is this the family?


1851 England Census about John Carr
Name: John Carr
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah Carr
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Ford
Ecclesiastical parish: Hylton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 2395
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carr 40
Susannah Carr 37
Mary Carr 12
Joseph Carr 10
John Carr 6
William Carr 4

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 20:58

Yes this is the family :-)

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Mar 2013 21:03

1861:

Piece: RG9/3732 Place: Lanchester -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Conside & Knitsley Ecclesiastical Parish: Conside & Knitsley
Folio: 24 Page: 41 Schedule: 253
Address: 253 Consett

DOLEMAN William Head M M 32 Boiler Plate Furnaceman Staffordshire - Bilston
DOLEMAN Catherain Wife M F 33 Ireland - -
DOLEMAN John Dau U F 13 Staffordshire - Billston
Page: 24/42 DOLEMAN Agnes Dau - F 9 Scholar Scotland - -
DOLEMAN Catherine Dau - F 7 Scholar Staffordshire - Wolverhampton
- James Son - M 5 Scholar Scotland - -
- Mary Dau - F 3 Scholar Scotland - -
CARR Susan Lodger M F 48 Ireland - - <<<<<<<<<
CARR John Lodger U M 19 Labourer At Iron Works Scotland - - <<<<<<<
LINCH Philip Lodger U M 20 Labourer At Iron Works Ireland - -

Son Joseph

Piece: RG9/3770 Place: N Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 13
Civil Parish: Ford Ecclesiastical Parish: South Hylton
Folio: 48 Page: 12 Schedule: 61
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CARR Joseph Boardr U M 20 Ship Carpenter Apprentice Scotland - -

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Mar 2013 21:12

Of the John Carrs who married in Scotland between 1830 and 1840, none married a Susannah or any variation of that.
One John Kerr married a Susan, but their children's names are different from those in the 1851 census.

The 1851 family don't show up in the 1841 Scotland census, as far as I can see.
.
Also, there was no Joseph Carr or Kerr, nor any William Carr or Kerr, born in Scotland around the years of the 1851 children's births, to parents called John or Susan/Susannah..

(Per Scotlands People)

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 21:20

Ok thank you for this information, I have been going off the 1851 census which shows the family and states that all on this census were born in scotland, but we do know that sometimes these are filled out wrong. I have not been able to find this family ie john or susannah on any other census either, hmm strange....

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 21:22

Thank you Beverley W

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Mar 2013 22:02

If Susan was born in Ireland, they may have got married there.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Mar 2013 22:08

There's a tree on Ancestry which suggests that Mary, Joseph, and William were born in Durham.
No help with John and Susannah's marriage, though.

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 22:21

Hmm, more and more intriguing!
hank you BeverleyW, I have to say the only Susan I could find any link to was Irish, so possible I suppose.

argyllgran, do you know how I can contact the tree owner that you have said about that suggests their children were born in Durham ?
I think this may be likely now seeing as the information BeverleyW put on here for me from 1861 shows that John and Susan Carr were lodgers and that she was from Ireland!

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Mar 2013 22:29

Well in 1861 according to the census, sons John and Joseph were born in Scotland. (It's John Jr. on the census with Susan, not her husband).
Susan is stated to be married but husband John Sr. is not with her and I can't see him at the moment.
Do you know what his occupation was?

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 22:35

yes I do he was a Tailor

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Mar 2013 22:43

Yippee I think this is the family in 1841:

Piece: SCT1841/572 Place: Neilston -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Neilston Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 9 Page: 18
Address: Neilston Village

KERR John M 30 Tailor Journeyman Ireland <<<<<<<
KERR Susan F 25 Ireland
KERR Mary F 3 Renfrewshire
KERR Joseph M 11m Renfrewshire

wolfdogowner

wolfdogowner Report 18 Mar 2013 23:15

wow BeverleyW thank you so much :-D,

I will look into this more tomorrow as I have been doing lots on my tree all day!
I did look at the Kerr spelling earlier but didn't find what you have, thanks again you have been very kind :-)

Petra x

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Mar 2013 23:25

Well Done Bev..... I was reading through this and was just about to suggest that the name could be Kerr.
Kerr and Carr are interchangeable.
This may sound quite odd but......my mum and her brother were born in Ireland in the 1930's
My mum's maiden name was always Kerr, but her brother has always been...Carr, even although they are FULL siblings, their birth records had different spellings.

The fluctuation between Carr and Kerr is apparent on many of my Irish family records right back to the mid 1800's.
I still don't know what my family's orginal name was???