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Thomas and Charlotte Williams

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Kenneth Report 18 Mar 2013 20:57

I an trying to find anyone related to Thomas Williams b.1874? and his wife Charlotte b.1883? They lived in Morriston,Swansea .... but later moved to Merthyr with about 8 or so children. I think Charlotte was born in Aber?
Almost certainly lived in Trevethick Street at some time. Probably married about 1898 - to 1900 as the 1911 census says they had been married about 11 years, their first daughter was named Charlotte Ann.

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Lynski Report 18 Mar 2013 21:01

To find out if anyone else is researching this family have you tried "Search All Trees" under the Search button above?

You can put the names of the family in and see if anyone else has them.

If you find a possible match you can contact the tree owner to see if you have a connection.

I would suggest that you delete the automatic message about looking at their tree. Most members will not open their trees to you until a connection has been established so just type your own message about who you think you may have in common.


patchem Report 18 Mar 2013 21:02

Have you looked for their marriage for Charlotte's maiden name - or have you a birth certificate of one of the children?
Once you know their names and years of birth you can look to see if anyone else on here has them in their trees by using the Search Tab/ Search All Trees, above.


patchem Report 18 Mar 2013 21:06

Just for ref:
1911 Wales Census
Thomas Williams Age in 1911: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Swansea County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales Street Address: Quar House Morriston Ner Swansea
Marital Status: Married Occupation: Chimney Sweep Registration district: Swansea Registration District Number: 594 Sub-registration district: Llangafelach
ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 314 m Piece: 32749
Thomas Williams 37
Charlotte Williams 28 Aberystwyth Cardiganshire
Charlote Ann Williams 10 Swansea
May Williams 7 Monmouthshire
Donny Williams 9
Rachael Williams 5
Johny Williams 3
Emly Williams 2
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 32749; Schedule Number: 314.


PricklyHolly Report 18 Mar 2013 21:12


Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Summers Charlotte Annie Swansea 11a 1378
Williams Thomas Swansea 11a 1378


patchem Report 18 Mar 2013 21:18

This looks like them in 1901, but they have swapped birth places
1901 Wales Census
Tom Williams
Age in 1901: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberwystwryth, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Swansea Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Swansea County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales
Occupation: Chimney Sweep
Registration district: Swansea Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Household schedule number: 120 Piece: 5079 Folio: 41 Page Number: 21
Tom Williams 26
Charlotte Williams 20 Neath
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5079; Folio: 41; Page: 21.


PricklyHolly Report 19 Mar 2013 18:40

Hi Ken

Thankyou for your PM.

It is always best to reply on your thread (Type in the white box at the bottom and click "Submit") so that members can see that you have acknowledged the information and you can also add to this thread if you are stuck trying to find any further info regarding this family.

Here is the FMP version of the 1911 census and you will see that Donny is actually Tommy.

Household transcription
1911 census
Person: WILLIAMS, Charlotte Ann
Address: 2 Quar St Morriston

WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 37 1874 Chimney Sweep Glamorgan Neath VIEW
WILLIAMS, Charlotte Wife Married11 years F 28 1883 House Domestic Aberswith Cardiganshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Charlotte Ann Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Swansea Glamorganshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, May Daughter Single F 7 1904 Blanam Monmouthshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Tommy Son Single M 9 1902 Hivisan Glamorganshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Rachel Daughter Single F 5 1906 Abersavenny Monmouthshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Johnny Son Single M 3 1908 Burryport Carmarthen VIEW
WILLIAMS, Emily Daughter Single F 2 1909 Burryport Carmarthen VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 32749
Reference: RG14PN32749 RG78PN1869 RD594 SD2 ED12 SN314
Registration District: Swansea
Sub District: Llangafelach
Enumeration District: 12
Parish: Swansea
Address: 2 Quar St Morriston
County: Glamorganshire
(6 children born and living)


PricklyHolly Report 19 Mar 2013 18:42

I am struggling to find a Charlotte Annie/Ann Summers in the 1891 census.

Can anyone else spot her??


Kenneth Report 19 Mar 2013 18:54

Hi all who are pointing me in the right direction, and to PricklyHolly and Patchem for their latest inputs/suggestions.....thanks to you all..........Ken


patchem Report 19 Mar 2013 19:35

Have you got a birth for her from free bmd, to try to pin down her in 1891 and possibly 1881.


PricklyHolly Report 19 Mar 2013 21:08

No luck here Patchem.

To be able to go back further Ken, i think it would be in your best interest to purchase a copy of one of the children's birth certificate's to confirm the Mother's maiden name.

Once you have that, we will know if we are on the right track with the Williams/Summers marriage.

And then a copy of the marriage certificate will hopefully give you information as to who Thomas and his wife's Fathers were and their occupations.

As Thomas Wiliams is such a common name and the fact that we don't actually know where he was born, due to the fact that his place of birth differs on the 1901 and 1911 census.........

Unless of course you know who Thomas's parents were??

The best place to purchase certificates in online here.......

Unfortunately, it wiil set you back £9.25 per certificate.

I'm not hot on areas of might this be Emily's birth reg....


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Emily Williams
Name: Emily Williams
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1909
Registration district: Llanelly
Inferred County: Carmarthenshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 1311



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Rachel Williams
Name: Rachel Williams
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Registration district: Abergavenny
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 45


PricklyHolly Report 19 Mar 2013 21:21

If we are on the right track.........Possibly another Son Mother's maiden name Summers born in 1913......


Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Williams Leonard Summers Llanelly 11a 2439

Ring any bells Ken??


Kenneth Report 20 Mar 2013 14:46

PricklyHolly and Patchem,
sorry to be a pain......I had a response from a girl named Paula who gave me permission to view her has about 6 people to go onto my family tree......I clicked onto add and they have been put onto a clipboard.......I don't know how to transfer them, or do I just have to write down the info onto a pad and then enter each one via the keyboard afterwards? If I become too demanding just tell me so.....I will get the routine eventually !!! ..........Ken
The Emily Williams and the Rachel Williams both fit in perfectly so I will send off for those birth certificates...........Meanwhile Thomas Williams born 1874 and Charlotte Williams his wife born 1883 are definately the parents of Emily and Rachel as there are four other children who fit chrologically into that timely. The one slight confusion comes from the disparity of the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but the places fit, so I will keep working on that. Thanks to both of you......Ken


PricklyHolly Report 20 Mar 2013 16:47

Hi Ken

You are not a pain at all. We all had to start somewhere and it's not easy when you first start out and don't quite know what you are doing. Trust me, i know!! :-)

You just need to write down the details from the other members tree and then add it to your tree.

The details on the 1911 census are more likely to be correct because it was filled in by a member of the household rather than an enumerator who filled in the 1841--1901 census forms.

But then never know!!!

Don't be afraid to ask for any help on here........there are always members who are more than willing to give you a helping hand.