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James Bowman

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Potty

Potty Report 26 Mar 2013 11:57

This is the only David Bowman coming up in England in 1881 with occupation stone mason:

1881 England Census
about David Bowman
Name: David Bowman
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah Bowman
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: St Mary Within
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 13 East Tower St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Stone Mason

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5157
Folio: 82
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Bowman 51
George Bowman 26
Thomas Bowman 22
Richard Bowman 20
David Bowman 18
Robert Bowman 16
Sarah Bowman 14

Not sure if this is him in 1891 England Census as occupation is now Barman (and still is in 1901)

about David Bowman
Name: David Bowman
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Bowman
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle

Civil parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4193
Folio: 11
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
David Bowman 28
Jane Bowman 28
John E Bowman 3
Rihard B Bowman 1
Andrew Kelly 45


Dorothy

Dorothy Report 26 Mar 2013 11:36

Hi do you have any idea where I can look next.? Could it be possible that his birth was not registered? The only James bowman to come anywhere close regards details is one born in Ashton-under-Lyme in Cheshire but two people discounted this.

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 10:31

But NOT the name, or year of birth, which are fairly crucial

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 26 Mar 2013 03:31

Thanks. Seems as if this chap is illusive. There was a rumor in the family that he may have come from "up north". So I did wonder if it was meant to infer Northern England or Scotland hence the Carlisle Bowman line that seemed to fit most of the criteria.

Potty

Potty Report 22 Mar 2013 20:17

The 12 Dec 1914 James Bowman gives USA as his last permanent residence and Ireland as his next place of permanent residence. The other two are Canadian.

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 22 Mar 2013 12:25

Hi, The James that came into Liverpool on the 12th Dec 1914. Is there any clue to where he was born? Another interesting thing that I had not noticed before is that the lady (Ethel Diamond) that he wed Nov 27th 1915 was 3 months pregnant with Robert Arthur Bowman born 18th May 1916. Just a little more about this man.Thanks

Potty

Potty Report 22 Mar 2013 11:02

Dea, I saw that Incoming Passenger List - there are two others for a James Bowman of the correct age, one in the same year as the one above:

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about James Bowman
Name: James Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 32
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 19 Jun 1914
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Ionian
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ionian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Allan Line
Official Number: 113989

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about James Bowman
Name: James Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1883
Age: 23
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 5 Jun 1906
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Furnessia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Furnessia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 76900

In both of these his occupation is given as Machinist.

Dea

Dea Report 21 Mar 2013 13:23

I am curious about this one -

He is an Engineer


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about James Bowman
Name: James Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 32
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1914
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lusitania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Lusitania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 124082

Born at the right time!

He gives his address as:

52 Wolfe Lane, Cork Ireland.......


Dea x

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 12:00

The death info came from freebmd.........and I posted it to confirm his birth year

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 21 Mar 2013 11:34

Hi, many thanks for your reply. That death data is mine. In 1916 James lived at 439,Cleveland Street and was still there when my mother Ethel was born in 1919.Also in 1922 when his wife died.His address in 1929 when he wed Annie Spong was 36,Banning Street and she lived at" Crofton" Hoylake Road, Moreton. When he wed Dorothea Martin his address was given as "St.Elmo,Reeds Lane and he committed suicide in "The Three Musketeers" Reeds lane which is the address where Dorothea lived prior to her marriage. I am led to believe that the two houses where on a camp site but have nothing to support this. After his death his widow went to live at 27,Market Street,Hoylake. He seems to have moved around in the Wallasey/Birkenhead area but where did he come from. Thanks once again

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 11:24

This is the man born 1888

1911 census

Person: BOWMAN, John Edward Address: 22 Duke Street Newcastle on Tyne

BOWMAN, Frances Head Single F 32 1879 Newcastle Northumberland VIEW
BOWMAN, John Powton Brother Single M 43 1868 Enginer Turner Newcastle Northumberland VIEW
BOWMAN, John William Nephew Single M 21 1890 Loco Fitter Newcastle Northumberland VIEW
BOWMAN, John Edward Boarder Single M 23 1888 Loco Fitter Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
ELLIOTT, Annie Bowman Niece F 13 1898 School Newcastle Northumberland VIEW
ELLIOTT, Hannah Appley Niece F 12 1899 School Newcastle Northumberland

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 11:23

Having inaccurate birth info in your GR tree could mean that you miss out on possible contact from anyone who is researching the same person as you

Much better to put in the correct year and place 'unknown'

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 10:55

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1152518

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 10:51

For info ONLY

Deaths Jun 1938 (>99%)
BOWMAN James 55 Wallasey 8a 670

Shows that he was born no later than Jun qtr 1883

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 Mar 2013 10:31

He wasn't at the address in 1911

1911 census

Address: 89 Livingstone St Birkenhead

30 HAMILTON, William Stewart Head Married M 42 1869 Shipping Clerk Ches Liscard VIEW
30 HAMILTON, Jane Wife Married
10 years F 41 1870 Dalton in Furness Cumberland VIEW
30 HAMILTON, Francis May Daughter F 8 1903 Ches Birkenhead VIEW
30 HAMILTON, William Stewart Son M 3 1908 Ches Birkenhead VIEW
30 EDINGTON, Ann Mother In Law Widow F 74 1837 Levin Westmorland VIEW
30 IRVING, Thomas Lodger Single M 46 1865 Meal Salesman Carlisle

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 21 Mar 2013 03:06

Hi, The witnesses were Joseph Ellison and Sarah Margaret Ellison( these are relatives of mine)

Yes to your question re John Edward Bowman. I was directed to this Bowman family when I started searching about 20 years ago. However now that I have all marriage certificates, birth certificates of the children and all the data on his death I no longer think my earlier info is correct ,however until I find his birth I will leave the info as is. Thanks for your help, Dorothy

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 20 Mar 2013 12:24

Hi Dorothy
Who were the witnesses on the marriage to Ethel Diamond?

Is it your tree on Ancestry that suggests...... John Edward Bowman born 1888 Carlisle........aka James Bowman?




Dorothy

Dorothy Report 20 Mar 2013 12:21

Hi, I have all of the marriage certificates for James. His first marriage he stated he was a bachelor and the subsequent ones that he was a widower. All marriages were in Birkenhead area of the UK.All children were born in the same place. James was an Engine fitter/Marine engineer/shipyard. His father was a stonemason.
Info on the first marriage cert is this
Nov 27th 1915 James bowman 33 years Bachelor Engineer 89,Livingstone Street, Father David Bowman stonemason
Ethel Diamond 27years, spinster 346A,Price street, Father John Diamond Blacksmith. The church of St.Peter Birkenhead is where the marriage was conducted. Thanks Dorothy

Potty

Potty Report 20 Mar 2013 12:02

There are two records of a James Bowman of the right age entering UK. He was a machinist. What was your James's occupation?

Potty

Potty Report 20 Mar 2013 11:50

This is the only James Bowman b1881 with father David that I can find:

1901 Census of Canada
Census & Electoral Rolls
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Name: James Bowman
Age: 19
Birth Year: 1881
Province: Ontario
District: Wellington (centre)

Name: James Bowman
Father: David Bowman
Birth: 1881 - location
Residence: 1901 - city, Wellington (centre), Ontario

He is on the 1901 Canadian census - mother Agnes; both parents b Scotland

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=107761&highlight=4

All children b Canada.