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(Update) elizabeth johnson 1861 census

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drummo

drummo Report 22 Mar 2013 20:47

To the kind people that helped. The Elizabeth Drummond that married John Queenan in 1847 is the Elizabeth from my family as the father of the bride is James a mariner which matches my earlier records
Thanks for all the help given

drummo

drummo Report 21 Mar 2013 17:13

Thanks again argyllgran I intend a visit to records office friday so hope I have more to go on
I will let you and K/T know what I find.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Mar 2013 10:58


A theory - pure speculation - re the Elizabeth who married Edward Johnson (just in case she turns out to be the one you want!):-

I think this is her in 1861, with her husband absent somewhere, maybe abroad (see 1871 below).

1861 England Census about Elizabeth Johnson
Name: Elizabeth Johnson
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 19d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 2678
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Johnson 29
Elizabeth H Johnson 4

The daughter Elizabeth H was born 1856:

Births Dec 1856 (>99%)
Johnson Elizabeth Hannah Sunderland 10a 360

Several Elizabeth Johnsons died in Sunderland 1861-71,
so here's Elizabeth Hannah Johnson in 1871, with father Edward and new wife Catherine D, born in Hamburg. Presumably they married in Hamburg:


1871 England Census about Elizabeth H Johnson
Name: Elizabeth H Johnson
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Johnson
Mother's Name: Catherine D Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Monk Wearmouth Shore
Ecclesiastical parish: Monk Wearmouth
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monk Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 658
Piece: 5022
Folio: 60
Page Number: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Johnson 45 (born Sunderland)
Catherine D Johnson 27 (born Hamburg)
Elizabeth H Johnson 14 (born Sunderland)

Can't find them after that.
This might perhaps be his death, although the age is slightly out:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Edward Johnson
Name: Edward Johnson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1877
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 295

After that, perhaps Catherine went back to Germany, as there's no later record of her
Maybe Elizabeth Hannah went with her, or married or died.
Can't find any conclusive records for her.

As I said, just a theory!

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 22:16

Do come back and let us know :-D

drummo

drummo Report 20 Mar 2013 21:47

Thankyou very much for everyones help.I was convinced my Elizabeth drummond was the one who married Edward Johnson but now I believe it was John Queenan she married at the tender age of 16. I will check parish records at sunderland library to see which Elizabeth had a father named James Drummond to both the queenan and johnson marriages. I do hope only one has a father called james
Thanks again everyone

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Mar 2013 21:40


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Queenan
Name: John Queenan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 328

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 21:39

Brilliant well done argyllgran

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Mar 2013 21:39


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth Queenan
Name: Elizabeth Queenan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1891
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 365

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Mar 2013 21:32

Image has "Queenan"- mistranscribed:


1861 England Census about Elizabeth Queeman
Name: Elizabeth Queeman
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Queeman
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 3769
Folio: 61
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Queeman 34
Elizabeth Queeman 30
William Queeman 13
James Queeman 11
Elizabeth Queeman 8
Mary Queeman 6
Edward Queeman 2

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Mar 2013 21:30


1871 England Census about Elizabeth Queenan
Name: Elizabeth Queenan
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Queenan
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 395
Piece: 5001
Folio: 47
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Queenan 64
Elizabeth Queenan 42
Elizabeth Queenan 18
Mary J Queenan 16
Edward Queenan 11
Emily Queenan 9
Alfred Queenan 5



1881 England Census about Elizabeth Queenan
Name: Elizabeth Queenan
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Queenan
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 18 Blandford St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Wife

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4993
Folio: 26
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Queenan 56
Elizabeth Queenan 52
Mary J. Queenan 23
Emily Queenan 18
Alfred Queenan 15

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 21:29

Oh sorry!!!

nothing on an******** for 1861 and I,ve done sons and hubby search and tried different spellings!!!

drummo

drummo Report 20 Mar 2013 21:24

yes she is on 1861 census on f/m/p, and the 1901 census online has all census including 1861

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 21:20

1901 ..............sorry I thought you want 1861?

drummo

drummo Report 20 Mar 2013 21:13

it is on f/m/p if anyone has access 1901 census online

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 21:12

I try searching for bans but no luck so you may need one of those marriage certificates!!!

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 21:11

no I cant find it on an*******!!!

which is driving me mad!

But I can see you issue as the Queenan couple do show 1851 through to 1891 as above

drummo

drummo Report 20 Mar 2013 21:04

I originally though that elizabeth would only be 16 at the time of the marriage to john queenan so i was not sure that she was the one.but now her age matches can you bring up the 1861 census for elizabeth queenan

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 20:54

1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Queenan
Name: Elizabeth Queenan
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Queenan
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Piece: 2397
Folio: 362
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John Queenan 25
Elizabeth Queenan 21
William J Queenan 3
James Queenan 1


So you are trying to work out which one is yours then??????








KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 20:52

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Queenan
Name: Elizabeth Queenan
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Queenan
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4127
Folio: 88
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
John Queenan 65
Elizabeth Queenan 60
Edward Queenan 31
Alfred Queenan 25
Emily Queenan 28


Is this her




KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 20 Mar 2013 20:50

argyllgran Report 20 Mar 2013 20:46
She is listed as Master Mariner's wife, so presumably her husband was away at sea at the time.

EDIT:

On second thoughts, it's probably not her, as this one's ten years too young.

EDIT ......That lady has been transcribed wrong she is 30