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Could someone look at the 1861 census using just the initials J (first name) D (surname) birth 1849c Sunderland.I come up with result below which I believe may be a boys orphanage in Sunderland.

J D 11 Sunderland, North Bishop-Wearmouth

Its the Sunderland Workhouse.

Andy

Thanks Andrew my requests yesterday was really looking for my g/grandfather Joseph Drummond who is missing in the 1861 census His father was a seaman and his mother had died. yesterday i was wondering if he was with his aunt Elizabeth or aunt Jane and wrongly transcribed as having their marrage surnames but there was no Joseph living with any of his aunts

Its a good possibility. With no family to take him in the workhouse was the only option.

Intersting, the next entry on the schedule is 'R D' formerley sailor age 68 also born Sunderland. Any relation?

Andy

I dont think so both his father b-1819 Whitby and his granfather b-1788 Scotland were called James but R,D could be a relative of his grandfather
I will enquire at records office tomorrow if there is any further information to be had

The Sunderland records office does not hold the workhouse records they are at the Archives in Newcastle but I was told they may not be available to the public to keep personal information of others safe. so I have e-mailed them with an enquirey

1851 census
1851 England Census
about Joseph Drummond
Name:
Joseph Drummond
Age:2
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1849
Relation:
Grandson
Gender:
M (Male)
Where born:
Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, England
Civil parish:
Sunderland
County/Island:
Durham
Country:
England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district:
Sunderland
Sub-registration district:
West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel:
2
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:
127
Piece:
2397
Folio:
354
Page Number:
27
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Drummond 53
Joseph Drummond 2

. Joseph William Drummond
Birth 6 June 1848 in 42 Northumberland Street Bishop Wearmouth Tyne & Wear Death 1884 in Sunderland Durhan England
Birth18486 Jun42 Northumberland Street Bishop Wearmouth Tyne & Wear
Marriage1870
28 MarAge: 21Durham, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom Register Office Sunderland
1 source citation
Residence1871Age: 23Woodbine Street Sunderland Co Durham
1 source citation
Residence1881
Age: 33 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
1 source citation
Death1884
Age: 36
Sunderland Durhan England
Occupation Ironworker .
Family Members
Parents
James Drummond 1819 – 1863
Mary Greenwell 1823 – 1850
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Spouse & Children
Sarah Ann Broomflield 1851 – 1907
Mary Jane Drummond 1871 – 1949..
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Source Information

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1861 England Census
about J D




Name:
J D

Age:
11

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1850

Relation:
Inmate

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Sunderland, Durham, England



Civil parish:
Bishopwearmouth

Ecclesiastical parish:
Deptford and St Andrew

County/Island:
Durham

Country:
England




Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:



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Registration district:
Sunderland

Sub-registration district:
North Bishop Wearmouth

ED, institution, or vessel:
Sunderland Union

Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:
1

Piece:
3770

Folio:
102

Page Number:
9

Household Members:


Name

Age

S J 21
R J 3 Months
M Kay 22
J Kay 60
T L 64
E McM 88
J M 70
M M 82
J M 6
W M 56
W M 57
J M 76
M McConnell 72
T M 66
E M 42
A S M 4
M P 52
E P 10
C W P 22
A P 4
J G P 1
G R 71
M R 64
T R 69
A R 70
J S 49
J S 65
C S 49
E S 71
A S 46
J S 28
T S 8
T S 1
M S 76
A T 62
M A T 34
M T 23
M T 10 Days
J W 67
T W 46
J W 11
R Y 67
M T 15
T M 62
T A 34
C B 64
E A 30
A A 4
T A 1
R A 65
J A 58
E A 79
M A 56
C A 44
M A 29
M A 6
A B 41
J B 14
J B 74
M A P 19
E B 12
G B 74
E B 27
T W B 11
C B 13
W J B 11
F B 2
M C 25
G C 32
F C 79
J C 8
M C 5
M C 11
J A C 18
E C 70
E C 34
R C 8
M C 82
J C 21
W C 53
E D 13
R D 43
S D 77
J D 11
R D 68
J F 8
M F 21
J G 76
W G 76
B G 58
W H 35
M A G 15
T G 72
M J H 9
M H 12
M H 70
J H 9
P H 56
J H 11
G J 60

Hi Eveie you have the correct info on my g/grandfather Joseph William Drummond I could not place him in the1861 census and was trying to confirm that J.D. in the workhouse was him.I am intereted where you got the information as to the death of his father James Drummond in 1863 as I have never been able to confirm that date as being Josephs father

of ancestry I got info of a tree on ancestry

1871 England Census
about Joseph Drummond
Name:
Joseph Drummond
Age:
23
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1848
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Sarah Drummond
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish:
Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish:
Trinity
County/Island:
Durham
Country:
England
Registration district:
Sunderland
Sub-registration district:
West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel:1
Household schedule number:
205
Piece:
5016
Folio:
21
Page Number:
36
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Drummond 23
Sarah Drummond 21
Mary Drummond 7 Months

Name:
Joseph William Drummond
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1849
Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1884
Age at Death:
35
Registration district:
Sunderland
Inferred County:
Durham
Volume:
10a
Page:
275

There are 2 deaths for james drummond in 1863 one in Whitby and one in Cockermouth niether is my James.Although my James was born in Whitby in 1819 to james and Mary there was another James born to John and Mary also in Whitby in 1819 this James stayed and married twice in Whitby and died there in 1863, whereas my James and family moved to Sunderland arond 1825

found this
James Drummond
Birth Dec 1819 in Whitby, Yorkshire, England Death Apr 1863 in Yorkshire North Riding, United Kingdom
Birth1819DecWhitby, Yorkshire, England
1 source citation
Marriage to Ann Elder1842OctAge: 22WHITBY North Yorkshire England
Residence1851Age: 32Whitby, Yorkshire, England
1 source citation
Marriage to Ann Boult Jackson
1857JanAge: 37WHITBY North Yorkshire England
1 source citation
Death1863Apr age: 43y
yorkshire North Riding, United Kingdom
1 source citation
Family Members
Parents
John Drummond 1790 – 1845
Mary 1784 – 1855
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Spouse & Children
Ann Elder 1816 – 1852
Mary Ann Drummond 1844 –
Jane Drummond 1846 – 1925
Elizabeth Drummond 1849 – 1934
Isabella Drummond 1851 –
Spouse & Children
Ann Boult Jackson 1814 –
Alice Drummond 1859 –
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Source Information.
1851 England Census
1 citation provides evidence for Name, Residence, Birth

Hi EVEIE yes that is the other James Drummond b- dec 1819 whitby to John and Mary and the one who died 1863 and the death date has been mistakenly added to the tree of my family. My James Drummond was born OCTOBER 1819 Whitby to James and Mary,he can not be found anywhere after his marriage to Mary Greenwell 1845 and the birth of his son Joseph William Drummond in 1848 in Sunderland
The two JAMES'S born in Witby in 1819 may be cousins?

have you got this


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Joseph William Drummond
Name:
Joseph William Drummond
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1849
Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1884
Age at Death:
35
Registration district:
Sunderland
Inferred County:
Durham Volume: 10a
Page: 275

I have all the information on Joseph and his family in Sunderland and his family from whitby What I was trying to find out is the J.D. in Sunderland Workhouse my Joseph Drummond who can not be found on the 1861 census. I will have to wait untill I get a reply from the Newcastle archives to see if they can confirm this or not

wouldn't jd initials be jwd not j d

Could well be but the middle name or initial is not always used for example the 1871 census above Actually J.D could be anyone with those initials I will just have to wait and see what comes back from the archives