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Please can someone help with 1841 census?

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ManchesterCat

ManchesterCat Report 23 Mar 2013 19:14

Thanks for replies, but still cant find the info on the 41 census, any help appreciated.

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Hello, please could anyone help find JOHN LEECH born Ashton Under Lyne 1818-1820 and his father SAMUEL LEECH (no other info) in the 1841 census?

I have found a family with a Samuel and John Leech living in Littlemoss in Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire in 1841 and thought that might be them HOWEVER the census was taken on 06 June 1841 and John married on 01 June 1841 so now think he could be living with his wife Mary Ann Leech (Robinson) but cant find her at all.

I hope that makes sense. Details of John and Mary's marriage below and the 1851 census for them. Thank you x

CERTIFICATE MARRIAGE: 01 June 1841
The Coll Parish Church Manchester
John LEECH full age Bachelor Joiner of 44 Stott Street Hulme, father Samuel Leech, Warper; Mary Ann ROBINSON full age Spinster Chester Road Hulme, father John Robinson, Millwright; Witnesses Charles and Charlotte Higginson

CENSUS 1851; LEECH, John Head Married M 31 1820 Machine Maker J'yman Ashton U Lyne Lancashire
LEECH, Mary Ann Wife Married F 32 1819 Salford Lancashire
LEECH, John Son M 9 1842 Salford
LEECH, William Hy Son M 7 1844 Salford
LEECH, James Son M 4 1847 Salford
LEECH, Alice Dau F 2 1849 Salford
LEECH, Mary Elizth Dau F 0 (2M) 1851 Salford
10, Mt Pleasant Street, Manchester

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Mar 2013 19:19

Name: John Leech
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Apr 1820
Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,ASHTON UNDER LYNE,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Leech
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00558-5
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 547823

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Mar 2013 19:20

Name: John Leech
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Salford
Sub-District: 3 Greengate
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Matthias
Parish: Salford
Residence County: Lancashire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Mar 2013 19:23

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Name: John William Leech
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Feb 1861
Christening Place: St. Michaels, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1861
Father's Name: John Leech
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C39536-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1538436
Reference ID: item 3 p 17

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Mar 2013 19:37

Name: John Leech
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Robinson
Event Date: 01 Jun 1841
Event Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00546-9
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 438198, 438199, 438200, 438201, 438202

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Mar 2013 19:39

Alice Leech
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1849 Salford, Lancashire
residence: 1871 Salford, Lancashire, England
parents:John Leech, Mary A Leech

Mary E Leech
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1851 Salford, Lancashire
residence: 1871 Salford, Lancashire, England
parents:John Leech, Mary A Leech

Sarah A Leech
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1853 Salford, Lancashire
residence: 1871 Salford, Lancashire, England
parents:John Leech, Mary A Leech

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Mar 2013 19:40

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George Leech
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1858 Salford, Lancashire
residence: 1871 Salford, Lancashire, England
parents:John Leech, Mary A Leech

ManchesterCat

ManchesterCat Report 23 Mar 2013 19:54

Hello, thank you Ann, I have already the info you have found but thank you anyway. I am actually looking for them in the 1841 census.

ManchesterCat

ManchesterCat Report 24 Mar 2013 17:19

Hi, I wondered if anyone was able to help? Thank you.

ManchesterCat

ManchesterCat Report 24 Mar 2013 18:51

Hi, have spent today searching the 1841 census for mary ann robinson who married John Leech a few days before the 1841 census but no joy, running out of options, can anyone help please ?Many thanks

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2013 21:13

Putting that 1841 down for reference. Samuel is a silk weaver journeyman and John is an ag lab.

1841 census transcription details for: Littlemoss Bottom Moore, Ashton Under Lyne, Audenshaw
Print Close

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 533
Book/Folio: 3/48
Page: 4
Reg. District: Ashton & Oldham
Sub District: Audenshaw & Droylsden
Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Littlemoss Bottom Moore, Ashton Under Lyne, Audenshaw
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LEECH, Samuel M 55 1786 Lancashire
LEECH, Ann F 30 1811 Lancashire
LEECH, Sarah F 25 1816 Lancashire
LEECH, John M 23 1818 Lancashire
LEECH, Henry M 20 1821 Lancashire
LEECH, Betty F 8 1833 Lancashire
LEECH, Charls M 4 1837 Lancashire

alviegal

alviegal Report 24 Mar 2013 21:25

???

1841 census transcription details for: Two Tree's Lane, Manchester, Haughton
Print Close

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 581
Book/Folio: 17/21
Page: 5
Reg. District: Ashton & Oldham
Sub District: Denton & Haughton
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Two Tree's Lane, Manchester, Haughton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LEACH, John M 25 1816 cotton spinner Lancashire
LEACH, Mary F 20 1821 cotton trimmer Lancashire
LEACH, Samuel M 20 1821 Lancashire

ManchesterCat

ManchesterCat Report 24 Mar 2013 21:53

Thanks alviegal

Yes that is the 41 census I found location Littlemoss and if John had married just a few days later I would say that was definitely the right family, but why would he not be with his new wife if that is him, hmmm.

I'm not sure about your entry above, as the location, marys middle initial and surnames not quite right. Also Mary's father wasn't deceased at the time of her marriage and I can't locate him either.

Thanks again in advance for your help x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Mar 2013 22:49

Mary Ann's birth??


Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral) about Mary Ann Robinson
Name: Mary Ann Robinson
Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1818
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Robinson
Mother's name: Mary Robinson
Archive Roll: 757

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Mar 2013 22:53

In 1841 there's a Mary Leach in the same household as Charles and Charlotte Higginson. People with those names were witnesses at John and Mary Ann's marriage.


The 1841 Census
is provided in
association with:
1841 England Census about Mary Leach
Name: Mary Leach
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 583
Book: 5
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stanley 45
Ann Stanley 45
Mary Leach 20
Charles Higginson 35
Charlott Higginson 30
William Higginson 14
Mary Higginson 7
John Higginson 4
Thomas Higginson 1

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 24 Mar 2013 22:58

I've trawled Stott St (John's address in marriage details) and this pair were all I could find as regards Leech/Leach variants:

Address: Stott Street, Manchester, Hulme County: Lancashire<<<<<<<<<

WARBURTON, Joseph M 25 1816 Lancashire
WARBURTON, Elizabeth F 30 1811 Lancashire
WARBURTON, William M 7 1834 Lancashire
WARBURTON, Mary F 2 1839 Lancashire
LEACH, Thos M 25 1816 Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<
LEACH, John M 22 1819<<<<<<<<<

However this John is not born in county. His occupation is very hard to make out, but at a pinch it could be joiner. Maybe joiner and 'journeyman' abbreviated, but hard to be certain. However no sign of his new bride.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 24 Mar 2013 23:04

Further to Argyllgran - the address for Mary Leach is Chester Road as per the marriage details:


Address: Chester Road, Manchester, Hulme County: Lancashire<<<<<<<

STANLEY, William M 45 1796 Lancashire
STANLEY, Ann F 45 1796 Lancashire
LEACH, Mary F 20 1821 Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<
HIGGINSON, Charles M 35 1806 Lancashire<<<<<<<
HIGGINSON, Charlott F 30 1811 Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<
HIGGINSON, William M 14 1827 Lancashire
HIGGINSON, Mary F 7 1834 Lancashire
HIGGINSON, John M 4 1837 Lancashire
HIGGINSON, Thomas M 1 1840 Lancashire

I think we have the couple, who for some reason have not yet moved in together? Or maybe Mary was just visiting with the Higginsons? So 1841 John is still in Stott St, and Mary [Ann] at Chester Road, just as per the marriage details.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Mar 2013 23:23

Yes, here are John(son) and Thomas in 1841, in Stott Street:


1841 England Census about Johnson Leach
Name: Johnson Leach
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 583
Book: 12
Folio: 39
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Leach 25
Johnson Leach 22

ManchesterCat

ManchesterCat Report 24 Mar 2013 23:23

Thank you very much
I didn't even think to search for the marriage witnesses, well done.

It appears that John and Mary Ann Robinson were married and at least for a few days after their marriage lived separately, as Mary has the surname Leach and not Robinson and lived with the Higginsons.

I am now unsure whether the family I have in Littlemoss in 41 is in fact the correct John with his father and siblings, as the Warburton family also have a john leech living in the same street as Mary after their marriage as you have found.

In which case I need to locate both Mary Ann's and John's fathers now.

May I ask which source are you using to find the information you have?

Thank you x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Mar 2013 23:25

I'm using Ancestry.co.uk