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1901/1911 Census Please

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Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 14:48

Could someone possibly let me have the 1901/1911 census details for this couple please?
Harry Samuel Humphrey born 1874 Hampstead London and wife Bertha Mabel born 1865 Cheltenham.
They would have been living in the Croydon area, probably, as they married there and died there.
Harry was actually born Samuel Harry but switched the name around ,so might be under either name!
Thank you

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Mar 2013 14:51

this him?

Name: Samuel H Humphry
Age (Original): 7
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1874
Birthplace: Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Address: 3-? Ambrose Cott
Event Place: Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341036
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 166 / 80
Page Number: 20
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas J Humphry M 38 Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Wife Sarah A Humphry F 39 Saffron Walden, Essex, England
Son Thomas H Humphry M 17 Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Son Albert J Humphry M 10 Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Son Samuel H Humphry M 7 Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Son James F Humphry M 5 Hampstead, Middlesex, England

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2013 14:52

Could this be Bertha in 1911?

COMBER, Harry J Head Married M 41 1870 Corporation Tramways Inspector Lindfield Sussex
COMBER, Alice L Wife Married 8 years F 34 1877 Ware Herts
COMBER, Alex J Son M 4 1907 Croydon
COMBER, Glady L Daughter F 3 1908 Croydon
COMBER, Ivy G Daughter F 3 1908 Croydon
HUMPHREYS, Bertha Lodger Married 15 years F 45 1866 Tailoress Dulwich
HUMPHREYS, Leslie Son M 14 1897 Peckham Rye

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3304
Reference: RG14PN3304 RG78PN125 RD39 SD2 ED23 SN340
Registration District: Croydon
Sub District: South Croydon
Enumeration District: 23
Parish: Croydon

Address: 42 Howley Road Croydon County: Surrey

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 14:53

Ann
Yes,that's the one!

Potty

Potty Report 24 Mar 2013 14:53

Or is this Bertha:

Name: Bertha Humphreys
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dulwich
Civil parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 42 Howley Road, Croydon
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Occupation: Tailoress
Registration district: Croydon
Registration District Number: 39
Sub-registration district: South Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 340
Piece: 3304
Household Members: Name Age
Harry J Comber 41
Alice L Comber 34
Alec J Comber 4
Gladys L Comber 3
Ivy G Comber 3
Bertha Humphreys 45 - married
Leslie Humphreys 14 - born Peckham Rye

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Mar 2013 14:53

Name: Harry S Humphrey
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Hampstead, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bromley
Sub-District: Bromley
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Peter & St Paul
Parish: Bromley
County: Kent

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2013 14:54

Jany - do you know Samuel Harry's occupation and when they married? It all helps.

Potty

Potty Report 24 Mar 2013 14:58

Are you sure they married in Croydon? This seems to be their marriage, in Camberwell:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Bertha Mabel Pizey
Name: Bertha Mabel Pizey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 27
Spouse Name: Harry Samuel Humphrey
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jan 1896
Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Montagu Pizey
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Humphrey
Register Type: Parish Register

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 14:58

Thank you all for helping.
Harry was married in Camberwell, south London in 1896.
He was a Brass Finisher
Bertha Mabel nee Pizey was born in 1865 in Cheltenham
The one Ann found in 1891 is him,as his family moved to Bromley in Kent.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2013 14:59

According to the marriage Samuel Harry was born circa 1871:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Bertha Mabel Pizey of 6 Lordship Lane
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 27
Spouse Name: Harry Samuel Humphrey, brass finisher of 69 Grove Lane.
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jan 1896
Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Montagu Pizey - Schoolmaster
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Humphrey - Brass finisher
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before.

Witnesses: Montague B Pizey and Florence A Pizey

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 15:00

Potty.... That is the right marriage,I thought Croydon was in Camberwell....get lost that side of the water!!!!

Potty

Potty Report 24 Mar 2013 15:02

1901 England Census
about Leslie H Humphresy
Name: Leslie H Humphresy
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Harry S Humphresy
Mother's name: Berthe M Humphresy
Gender: Male
Where born: Beckenham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Norwood All Saints
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 91
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 214
Piece: 649
Folio: 131
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Harry S Humphresy 32
Berthe M Humphresy 34
Leslie H Humphresy 4
Ernest Savage 19


Potty

Potty Report 24 Mar 2013 15:04

That's OK, Jany, I get lost north of the river!

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 15:06

I think they both muddled the ages a bit..Bertha was 8 years older than Harry.
The death ages were Bertha aged 71 in 1937 which would tie up with a 1865 birth and Harry 71 in 1948, so still a bit out

Potty

Potty Report 24 Mar 2013 15:06

A little tip, Jany. When searching for a name like Humphrey which could easily be mis-spelt, use a wild card, eg Humph*

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2013 15:07

Was wondering about this birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Harry Samuel Humphrey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1871
Registration district: Farnham
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 109

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 15:11

Potty
Thank you. I will try that in future.
There are a lot of variations.
Thank you very much for helping to find them.
Thanks also to MarieCeleste and Ann.

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 15:17

MarieCeleste
That's odd..
Do you know if the 1901 Harry was born in Hampstead and a brass worker?
The marriage seems right.Harry's father was Thomas and he was a brass worker

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2013 17:24

Here's the FindMyPast version of the 1901 showing detail:

HUMPHRAY, Harry S Head Married M 32 1869 Brass Finisher Hampstead
HUMPHRAY, Bertha M Wife Married F 34 1867 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
HUMPHRAY, Leslie H Son M 4 1897 Beckenham, Kent
SAVAGE, Ernest Boarder Single M 19 1882 Ironmongers Carman London

Piece: 649 Folio: 131 Page: 35
Registration District: Croydon
Civil Parish: Croydon

Address: 5, Carberry Road, Croydon County: Surrey

Jany

Jany Report 24 Mar 2013 17:42

MarieCeleste
Thank you for the 1901.
I would say that is definitely my Harry,but once again his birth is a bit screwy.
The only time it is almost right is when he died, even then it is a few years out.
I wonder whether he tried to make his birth year closer to his wife's?