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Alfred Smith And Fred Smith (brothers of Florence)

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Sharyn Report 25 Mar 2013 12:26

Hi Im trying to trace my grandmothers brothers/siblings/parents. My grandmothers name was Florence Anne Smith (O'Leary once married) and was born in 1918 in west ham. I have no information on the father but the mothers name was also Florence, maiden name Nightengale. I am to believe that my grandmothers parents also had twins whom died at an early age but this hasn't been confirmed yet. If anyone has any information I would be very grateful for it no matter how small. Thank you.


GlitterBaby Report 25 Mar 2013 12:30

Alfred W Smith b 1911

Frederick G Smith b 1913

Mothers maiden name is NIGHTINGALE - slightly different spelling

Quite a few other possible births in West Ham


brummiejan Report 25 Mar 2013 12:32

Just confirming spelling:

Births Mar 1918
Smith Florence A Nightingale W.Ham 4a 303


Mike *

Mike * Report 25 Mar 2013 12:33

There are a few births for Florence A Smith c 1918 but if you are sure this is the right one then the certificate will tell you her father's name.

Births Mar 1918
Smith Florence A - Nightingale - W.Ham 4a 303

Likelwise, buy her marriage cert and it should give you her father's nameN

Mike *

Mike * Report 25 Mar 2013 12:34

Not THE Florence Nightingale ????


Helen Report 25 Mar 2013 12:41

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Florence Nightingale
Name: Florence Nightingale
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1910
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 322 (click to see others on page)

Alfred Smith


Reggie Report 25 Mar 2013 12:42

Use freebmd to look for info.......very easy site to use

MMN is on the birth index after 1911


Helen Report 25 Mar 2013 12:44

1911 England Census about Alfred Smith
Name: Alfred Smith
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: West Ham, Essex
Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 89 Argyle Rd, Custom House
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carman Domestic
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 374
Piece: 9486
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Smith 21
Florence Smith 18

A possible


Reggie Report 25 Mar 2013 12:55

No, Mike*.........


Reggie Report 25 Mar 2013 12:57

1911 census

Person: SMITH, Florence Address: 89 Argyle Road

SMITH, Alfred Head Married M 21 1890 Carman Domestic West Ham Essex VIEW
SMITH, Florence Wife Married F 18 1893 Mat Binder West Ham Essex VIEW


Sharyn Report 25 Mar 2013 13:17

not sure if im doing this correctly but in searching for who my gt grandmother married so that I can get the fathers name is near impossible .. it is just coming up with my gt grandmothers name and date of marriage .. not to who she married and the same with searching the birth records I cant seem to find fathers details on the birth record of my grand mother or her siblings. Sorry pretty new to all this searching.


Reggie Report 25 Mar 2013 13:27

You've been given the marriage for Florence's parents............and the 1911 census for them

Now look on freebmd for the rest of their children - including twins.

Take your time..............get used to how the site works..........although it is incredibly easy, so you should have no probs.

Then use freebmd to find out if the twins died young, as you've been led to believe

You must understand that the INDEX is just index........for FULL details, you have to spend money on certs.

Mike *

Mike * Report 25 Mar 2013 18:58

Helen has already posted Florence Nightingale's marriage to Alfred Smith in 1910

Buy the certificate to see who her father was

Mike *

Mike * Report 25 Mar 2013 19:11

Just in case .....

Possible for 1901 ( mother Jane is a widow though so no father to check)

Florence Nightingale
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Jane A Nightingale
Gender: Female
Where born: Canning Town, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town

Jane A Nightingale 29
Jane A Nightingale 10
Florence Nightingale 8
William Nightingale 6
Annie Nightingale 4
Frederick Nightingale 1 Month


A tree on Ancestry has parents of above as

William Nightingale 1868 –
Jane Ann Boness 1871 –

Name: William Nightingale
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Jane Ann Boness
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Apr 1890
Parish: Bow Common St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Nightingale
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Boness
Register Type: Parish Register