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Gethin Llewelyn Edwards

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Margaret

Margaret Report 26 Mar 2013 15:34

I started my tree about 7 years ago but then what with one thing and another it got put on hold, I have today come across a marriage cert I sent for in 2008 for the above person.
PROBLEM:
I have a Gethin Llewelyn Edwards born to John Thomas Edwards and Margaret Ann Thomas in 1891 (5th Dec) reg 2.1.1892 Born Church Row, Pontyblyddyn, Flintshire. I have the birth cert for this one
I then trawled looking for details for his marriage cert, which I found and sednt for a copy of (or thought I'd found anyway), when it came it shows Gethin Llewelyn married to Selina Thomas on 30th Jan 1908, Gethin is shown as being 21 years but then I thought it can't be the same one because my original one would have only been 17 yrs of age, plus the fathers were different. My Gethin is son to John Thomas and this Gethin was son to Henry. This is the only mariage I can find for Gethin Llewelyn Edwards. It is possible of course my Gethin didn't marry. He did show up however aged 19 on the 1911 census still living at Mold, but I couldn't see any relatives with him.
I've tried to find Henry Edwards and then tried to tie in Gethin to him but nothing came up for that either. Selina Thomas's father was I think Edward Thomas.
Would anybody be kind enough to try to help with this problem. Just to add more confusion to the matter another Gethin Llewelyn was born June Qt 1902 but I don't know who his parents were, plus it doesn't solve the matter of Gethin on the marriage cert I've got.
SO: One born 1891 (mine) One born 1887 (according to 21yr old on marriage cert dated 1908) and then another born 1902
If you're not in knots now welllll

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 26 Mar 2013 15:49

I've just found Military Records which I think might be for your Gethin.....I'm just going to read through them.

In the next of kin it has

John Thomas Edwards address White House, High St, Mold; this has been crossed out and replaced with details of Gethin's wife

Annie Bagley (spinster) married 22 January 1916

I can't make out the name of the Church but I think it says that it was in Derby

EDIT

I think it says St James Church, Derby

This Gethin was 23 yrs 3mths when he signed up on 18 March 1915; born Mold (another document gives year of birth as 1891) Occupation Motor Driver.

No children mentioned on Military Records.

Full address on signing up: 64 Wood Lane, Treeton.

Address when married: 32 Columbo St, Derby

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 15:52

Which one do you actually connect with? Do you have a direct documented link?


Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 15:54

Who registered this?

Death

Name: EDWARDS, Gethin L
Registration district: Holywell
County: Flintshire
Year of registration: 1960
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:68
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 556

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 15:55

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Edwards Gethin L Bagley Derby 7b 898 (mistranscribed)

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Bagley Annie Edwards Derby 7b 998

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 15:57

1901 census

Person: EDWARDS, Gethin L Address: 242, New Bole Hill, Treeton

EDWARDS, John T Head Married M 29 1872 Coal Miner
Mold, Flintshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Margaret A Wife Married F 31 1870
Leeswood, Flintshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Gethin L Son M 9 1892
Pontebyddyn, Flintshire VIEW
EDWARDS, George N Son M 7 1894
Pontebyddyn, Flintshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Albert E Son M 1 1900
Pontebyddyn, Flintshire VIEW Piece: 4390 Folio: 99 Page: 67 Registration District: Rotherham
Civil Parish: Treeton
Municipal Borough:

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 15:58

Your search has been too narrow.............easily done

Never assume that people stay in one place...........

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 15:59

Now look on freebmd for possible children of the marriage................

One to kick start your quest

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Edwards Gethin L Bagley Holywell 11b 380


Death
Name: EDWARDS, Gethin Llewellyn
Registration district: Wallasey
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1989
Month of registration: November
Date of Birth:21 August 1920
Volume no: 37
Page no: 1166
Reg no: 1189

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 16:05

This is the other Gethin with wife Selina

1911

Name: Gethin H Edwards
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Relative (Other Relative)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Mold, Flint, Wales
Civil parish: Mold
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: School Gard Rhydygolen Mold
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Pit Head Colliery Labourer
Registration district: Holywell
Registration District Number: 619
Sub-registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 33954
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Thomas 71
Jane Thomas 67
Gethin H Edwards 23
Selina Edwards 24
William H Edwards 2
Mary Eby Jones 48
Harry Jones 17
Arthur Jones 16
Harold Jones 14

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 16:09

1891

Name: Gethae L Edwards
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Edwards
Mother's name: Katherine Edwards
Gender: Male
Where born: Mold, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Mold
Ecclesiastical parish: Mold
Town: Mold
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4609
Folio: 66
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Edwards 46 Railway Carter
Katherine Edwards 44
Henry Edwards 14
Walter P Edwards 10
Albert A Edwards 7
Gethae L Edwards 4

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Mar 2013 19:02

Burial (Find My Past)
Last name:Edwards
First Name:Gethin Llewelyn
County:Flintshire
Place / Parish:Bistre
Age:68
Burial Year:1960
Burial Month:Jan
Burial Day:26
Died Year:
Died Month:
Died Day:
Fathers Forenames:
Mothers Forenames:
Husbands Forenames:
Record source:Flint burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(abode, 33, Dreflan, Mold)

Baptism
Forenames:Gethin Llewelyn
Surname:Edwards
Baptism Year:1892
Baptism Month:Jan
Baptism Day:10
Place:Pontblyddyn
County:Flintshire
Birth Year:-
Birth Month:-
Birth Day:-
Fathers Forenames:John Thomas
Mothers Forenames:Margaret Anne
Record source:Flint baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Chris :)

Year:1916
Forenames:Gethin Llewellyn
Surname:EDWARDS
Spouse Forenames:Annie
Spouse Surname:BAGLEY
Place:Derby
Description:Derby St.James the Greater
County:Derbyshire
Country:England
Reg Office:South Derbyshire (Derby)
Register Entry:C23/04/204
Record source:Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 26 Mar 2013 19:09

HI TREE ON ANCESTRY HAS POSS TREE

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 26 Mar 2013 19:18

SENT LINK LOOKS LIKE MUM EITHER PREV MARRIED
WILLIAMS /THOMAS /EDWARDS

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 22:27

DIZZI

POST INFO ON HERE. THE MAN IS NOT LIVING

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 27 Mar 2013 00:05

Parents & Siblings
John H Edwards (1872-)

Margaret Ann Thomas (1870-)

George Noel Edwards (1894-)

Albert E Edwards (1900-)

Half-Siblings
Felix Thomas (1889

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 27 Mar 2013 00:07

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3375191/person/834338963

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Mar 2013 22:38

Margaret

PLEASE reply on here.............

Margaret

Margaret Report 27 Mar 2013 23:37

I'm sorry if I sounded a little sharp on my last reply but it's been so long since I did anything on the family tree I'd honestly forgotten how to use Genes properly. I have now looked at all your replies and my link is definitely the one with John Thomas as his father, I therefore must have sent for the wrong marriage cert and this is where the confusion as set in because that shows Gethins dad as Henry, which is correct for that particular Gethin but not mine if that makes sense. I will now try and send for the correct marriage and death cert. The mention of the family moving to Derbyshire and then Yorkshire - Yorkshire def fits and I actually know where the Treeton address is, my Grandad was an Edwards and lived at Swallownest which is about 3 miles from Treeton so I'm pretty sure there's going to be a close link with Gethin - prob his dad was my Grandads uncle or something, I'll have a look. I did find - by visiting Treeton Cemetary a few years ago another Edwards - this time a George Edwards but my mum didn't think there was a family link, this is something else to look at, I have a photo of the gravestone aswell. Anyway, thankyou very very much for your hard work, it's much appreciated and has gone along way to getting me kick started again doing the tree which I deserted a couple of years ago.
Regards
Margaret.