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MrDaff

MrDaff Report 26 Mar 2013 17:21

Could someone do a look-up for me please?

Searching for the above for a CHARLIE JONES who is thought to have died at Mametz Wood in 1916.

Tried just about everywhere else....... :-( Had a couple of leads, but none of the associated records had info beyond a date.

Mni tks,

Mr D.

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 26 Mar 2013 17:27

Do you have any idea of where and when he was born?

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 26 Mar 2013 17:58

Have you looked on this free site:

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx

Margee

Margee Report 26 Mar 2013 18:04

This is the only one listed as Charlie on CWGC.

JONES, CHARLIE
Rank:Private
Service No:12742
Date of Death:09/10/1916
Regiment/Service:Oxford and Bucks Light Infantry
6th Bn.
Panel ReferencePier and Face 10 A and 10 D.
MemorialTHIEPVAL MEMORIAL

p.s. Love your avatar, Mr. D., is it for real?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Mar 2013 18:25

Mametz Wood was the objective of the 38th (Welsh) Division during the First Battle of the Somme. The attack occurred in a northerly direction over a ridge, focussing on the German positions in the wood, between 7 July and 12 July 1916

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 26 Mar 2013 19:31

LB - Born Cardiff JFM 1893

Jonesy - been trawling that, but not having much luck......

Margee - Will give that a go, but Ox & Bucks a bit out of area for S.Wales (Of Course the AV is for real ;-) ;-) :-D)

GB - looked at RWF and got a possible hit, but they recruited from N.Wales not South, and 1916 poss bit before the 'take anyone' attitude arrived.

There was a Charlie Jones d1916 mentioned on GR, but can't get into it.

Driving me mad !!! LOL !!!

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 26 Mar 2013 19:46

Think I've found him - family believed he was killed 'in a wood'. Re visited CWGC (tks J) and found:

Pte C Jones 6Bn Welsh Regt, KIA Peake Wood and buried in Fricourt - adjacent to Mametz ....

:-D Tks all......but if you know different ......!!!

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Mar 2013 20:32

That one might be Christopher as the medal card says KIA on 20.7.1916 but shown as SGT so might not be

Name: Christopher Jones
Regiment or Corps: 1st/6 Welsh Regiment
Regimental Number: 2022




JONES, C
Rank:Private
Service No:2022
Date of Death:20/07/1916
Regiment/Service:Welsh Regiment
6th Bn.
Grave ReferenceA. 3.
CemeteryPEAKE WOOD CEMETERY, FRICOURT


UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919

Name: Christopher Jones
Birth Place: Swansea
Death Date: 20 Jul 1916
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Swansea
Rank: Private
Regiment: Welsh Regiment
Battalion: 1/6th Battalion
Number: 2022
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre



What else do you know about him

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Mar 2013 21:41

So what name was his birth registered in as no Charlie Jones listed in Cardiff JFM 1893

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 26 Mar 2013 21:56

Oh.....tish !!

Charlie :

1901 Census b. abt 1898 living at 25 Canal St, Cardiff (family home) RG13/4979. That's all I've got really. No 1911 info so far.

Other than the fact that there is a photo of him in uniform (WW1), but without headgear, so no clue there on badge etc, v. little known. No marriage/children known of, just that he died in the early part of the war 'in a wood' in France'.

Beginning to think death may have been later - no-one in the family is sure, though as the war dragged on, there weren't that many woods still standing :-(

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Mar 2013 22:07

1901 (reference)
JONES, Samuel Head Married M 43 1858 Dock Laborer
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Selina Wife Married F 38 1863
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, William Son Single M 20 1881 Locomotive Fireman
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Winifred Daughter Single F 18 1883 Domestic Servant
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Samuel Son Single M 15 1886 Errand Boy
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Martha A Daughter F 10 1891
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, John Son M 8 1893
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Ruth Daughter F 6 1895
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Selina Daughter F 1 1900
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Charles Son M 3 1898
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
SULLIVAN, Julia Niece Single F 15 1886 Domestic Servant
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Piece: 4979
Folio: 56
Page: 41
Registration District: Cardiff
Civil Parish: St John
Municipal Borough:
Address: 25, Canal Street, St John, Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire

1911
JONES, Samuel Head Married M 54 1857 Dock Labourer Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, Selina Wife Married33 years F 49 1862 Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, John Albert Son Single M 18 1893 Engin Cleaner Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, Ruth Daughter Single F 15 1896 Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, Selina Daughter Single F 11 1900 Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, Beatrice Daughter Single F 9 1902 Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, Gladys Daughter Single M 7 1904 Glamorgan Cardiff
JONES, Ada Daughter Single F 5 1906 Glamorgan Cardiff
RG number: RG14
Piece: 32117
Reference: RG14PN32117 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED18 SN300
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub District: Central Cardiff
Enumeration District: 18
Parish: Cardiff
Address: 31 Havelock Street Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire
(13 children born, 10 living, 3 died)


1891
JONES, Samuel Head Married M 34 1857 Labourer
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Selina Wife Married F 29 1862
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, William H Son Single M 9 1882 Scholar
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Winifred Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Samuel Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
JONES, Martha A Daughter Single F 1 1890
Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Piece: 4393
Folio: 122
Page: 83
Registration District: Cardiff
Civil Parish: St Mary Cardiff
Municipal Borough: Cardiff
Address: 10, Garth Street, St Mary Cardiff, Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire

Chris :)

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 26 Mar 2013 22:15

Chris Ho - Yep, that's the one (how did I not find 1911 ? Newbie, see ..... doh!).
Tk u. But where is Charles??

Rellie has photo of him, so indicates he'd left home by 1911 !

R.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Mar 2013 22:21

1911
JONES, Alfred Head Married M 32 1879 Collier Underground Ebbw Vale Mon
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married10 years F 33 1878 Ebbw Vale Mon
JONES, Hilda Daughter F 2 1909 Ebbw Vale Mon
JONES, Charlie Nephew M 12 1899 Cardiff
RG number: RG14
Piece: 32113
Reference: RG14PN32113 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED14 SN201
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub District: Central Cardiff
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Cardiff
Address: 48 Union St Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire

(not sure if relating!)

Chris :)

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Mar 2013 22:45

So do you know for certain that he was registered as Charles or is that a middle name

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Mar 2013 23:05

Do you have access to Ancestry ?

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919


Only three Charles Jones listed as birth place of Cardiff

Charles Henry Jones
Robert Charles Jones
Charles Spencer Jones

Not sure any of them are right

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Mar 2013 08:35

Baptism (Find My Past)
Forenames:Charles Wyndham
Surname:Jones
Baptism Year:1897
Baptism Month:Aug
Baptism Day:11
Place:Cardiff, St John
County:Glamorganshire
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Fathers Forenames:Samuel (Labourer)
Mothers Forenames:Selina
Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(address, 25, Canal Street)

Chris :)

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Jones Charles Wyndham Cardiff 11a 370


British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Charles Wyndham Jones
Regiment or Corps: Welsh R 5th
Regimental Number: 22322
(date of Discharge 14/1/16 Sickness)


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Charles Wyndham Jones
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Age at enlistment: 20
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 22322
Regiment Name: 5th Super Battalion Welsh Regiment
Number of images: 6
(31, Havelock Street, Cardiff. Father, Samuel Jones (same address)


MrDaff

MrDaff Report 27 Mar 2013 10:54

Morning!

GB - yes, tried those on Ancestry, but they don't fit :-(

CH - That's v interesting, and fits with family (parents (Samuel/Selina) and siblings either side). They were keen on baptism/christenings, and have elder sister Ruth baptised 17 Jun 95, and younger sister Selina 22 Jun 99, but couldn't find Charlie.

The military records look great as well - family lived in Havelock St at this time :-D
So it seems he died not in action, but from an illness contracted whilst serving.
More digging to do :-D :-D

Many, many tks!

Don't suppose you want to look for 2 of his brothers??? Both a bit of a mystery - and seemingly elusive LOL !!! One 'went to sea' ..... the other received 'a medal from the King' (family tales only) - still digging around for them!