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Elizabeth Report 27 Mar 2013 13:02

trying to trace my grandmothers sister Dorothy Gregory born 1904 in Ellesmere Shropshire (scotland st.) in 1911 census. as my great grandfather died in 1907 and my great grandmother re-married they are now under Davies in the census. think my only hope is someone out there has Dorothy in there tree and can tell me where they moved to.


patchem Report 27 Mar 2013 13:05

Have you looked to see if anyone on here has her in their tree by using the Search/Search All Trees tab, above?

Have you got her birth certificate for exact date of birth?
Births Sep 1904
Gregory Dorothy Ellesmere 6a 698


Andrew Report 27 Mar 2013 13:06


1911 England Census
about Dorothy Gregory
Name: Dorothy Gregory
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ellesmere, Salop, England
Civil parish: Ellesmere Rural
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 2 Crimps Cottages, Ellesmere, Salop
Marital Status: Single
>>>>Occupation: Child Of Jane Davies
Registration district: Ellesmere
Registration District Number: 351
Sub-registration district: Ellesmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 16186
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Davies 35
Jane Davies 36
Voilet May Gregory 8
>>>>Dorothy Gregory 6
Minnie Davies 11/12



George_of_Westbury Report 27 Mar 2013 13:07

Is this her ?????

1911 census transcription details for: Crimps Ellesmere Shropshire
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG14PN16186 RG78PN1001 RD351 SD3 ED9 SN45
Reg. District: Ellesmere
Sub District: Ellesmere
Parish: Ellesmere Rural
Enum. District: 9
Address: Crimps Ellesmere Shropshire
County: Shropshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DAVIES, Josepa Head Married M 35 1876 Cowman On Farm Ruyton Towns Salop
DAVIES, Jane Wife Married
3 years F 36 1875 Milker On Farm St Martin Ifton Ifton Shropshire
GREGORY, Voilet May Daughter Single F 8 1903 Child Of Jane Davies Ellesmere Salop
>>>>>>GREGORY, Dorothy Daughter Single F 8 1903 Child Of Jane Davies Ellesmere Salop
GREGORY, Minnie Daughter Single F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Child Of Jane Davies Ellesmere Salop



Elizabeth Report 27 Mar 2013 13:43

thanks patchem. have had a look on the trees , but no one has her there


patchem Report 27 Mar 2013 17:46

If she died after 1969 we can use her exact date of birth to help find her.
If you say where your grandmother married, we can look for marriages in the same area, if appropriate. Or where your great grandmother died. If you have the death certificate of your great grandmother the informant could be one of her children - unmarried daughter, or daughter in married name.


ArgyllGran Report 27 Mar 2013 20:52

There are various marriages of women named Dorothy Gregory in Shropshire in possible years.
Are any of these your grandmother's sister?

Marriages Jun 1927 (>99%)
GREGORY Dorothy L Roughton Bromsgrove 6c 551

Marriages Sep 1935 (>99%)
GREGORY Dorothy Stockley Bromsgrove 6c 752

Marriages Jun 1937 (>99%)
Gregory Dorothy Briggs Wellington 6a 1753

Marriages Jun 1946 (>99%)
Gregory Dorothy Duppa Shrewsbury 6a 1958a

Gregory Dorothy M Wallace Wellington 6a 2214


ArgyllGran Report 27 Mar 2013 21:12

Possible deaths of your gr-grandmother, if she died in Shropshire:

Deaths Sep 1966 (>99%)

Deaths Jun 1958 (>99%)
DAVIES Jane 82 Bridgnorth 9a 88

Deaths Jun 1954 (>99%)
Davies Jane 79 Oswestry 9a 150

Deaths Mar 1951 (>99%)
DAVIES Jane 77 Oswestry 9a 250

Deaths Dec 1939 (>99%)
Davies Jane G 65 W.Bromwich 6b 1395

Do you know where she died?


Elizabeth Report 28 Mar 2013 00:30

I will try and cover all the questions from you kind people, here we go, Yes those are the right census records.- not got dorothy birth certificate but the sept 1904 is correct. i don t know where my great -grandmother died or when but she was born about 1868- 69 as on her marriage certificate the age given was 23 , so none of those deaths for jane davies match, thanks for the possible marriages i will have a look to see if there are any family trees with those names ceers liz


patchem Report 28 Mar 2013 08:12

In the 1911 census Jane Davies's birth year is posted as 1875
You say that she was born 1868-1869 - from the first marriage certificate.
If she claimed a birth year of 1875 to her second husband to make herself appear younger, she may have gone to her grave with all around her believing in that birth year.
Did she try to make herself look older on the first marriage certificate because her husband was a lot older than her?


Mary Report 28 Mar 2013 09:15

Dorothy's sisyer married in Nantwich Cheshire,so is it possible that Dorothy moved there too.

Violet May Gregory 1902 married 1925 to Frederick James Ratcliff.

Violet ratcliffe born 3/5/1902 died 19995 in Cheshire.



ArgyllGran Report 28 Mar 2013 10:16

Still haven't found Jane's death, nor what happened to Dorothy after 1911, but here's some info re Jane and her family! (At least, it might be her, but see Mavis's post below.)
Here she is in 1901:

1901 England Census about Jane Gregory
Name: Jane Gregory
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Gregory
Gender: Female
Where born: Ifton Heath, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Ellesmere
Ecclesiastical parish: Ellesmere St Mary
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Condition as to marriage:
Employment status:
Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Ellesmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 2549
Folio: 31
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Gregory 40
Jane Gregory 30
Stephen Gregory 1
Arthur E Gregory 2 Months

But the only death of a Henry Gregory I can find in Ellesmere district at the right time is this one, who is a lot older than stated in 1901. Perhaps he was making himself seem younger for a young wife, Patchem?!

Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
Gregory Henry 67 Ellesmere 6a 426

Can't find a convincing birth of a Henry Gregory around either 1840 or 1861.

If that's the right couple in 1901, here's the death of one of the sons:
Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
Gregory Stephen 2 Ellesmere 6a 467

Here's Arthur in 1911:

1911 England Census about Auther Gregory
Name: Auther Gregory
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ellesmere
Civil parish: Pitton Baschurch
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: Wharf Lane, Weston Lullingfields Nr Baschurch, Salop
Occupation: School
Registration district: Ellesmere
Registration District Number: 351
Sub-registration district: Baschurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 16196
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Jones 49
Sarah Jones 43
Auther Gregory 10

Sarah is Jane's sister (nee Roberts):

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Gregory Henry Oswestry 6a 1265
Roberts Jane Oswestry 6a 1265

Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
Jones Henry Ellesmere 6a 1405
Roberts Sarah Ellesmere 6a 1405

The Roberts family in 1871:

1871 England Census about Jane Roberts
Name: Jane Roberts
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Roberts
Mother's name: Sarah Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: St Martins, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Ifton Rhyn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: St Martins
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 2784
Folio: 68
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 43
Sarah Roberts 39
Margaret Roberts 9
Ann Roberts 6
George Roberts 5
Sarah Roberts 4
Jane Roberts 1


Mavis Report 28 Mar 2013 13:02

Elizabeth have you got the birth cert of Violet May Gregory ??

birth reg as May Gregory Jun Q 1902 Ellesmere 6a 727

if not then you need to -- if you have then well and good - would give you
mothers maiden name and father full name

I have a feeling mother is not Jane Roberts !!!

A copy of the marriage of Jane Gregory to Joseph Davies would give you her Father [ hopefully ]

would be nice to know if you do have Violet's birth cert.



ArgyllGran Report 28 Mar 2013 15:07

Hi, Mavis -

Can I ask what makes you think Jane Roberts is wrong? Apart from no conclusive death for Henry?

This is my reasoning:
For the 1901 census, that's the only Jane Gregory (in fact, the only Jane of any surname) who comes up on Ancestry with the same POB, and roughly approximate YOB as for Jane Davies in 1911 census.

If that's correct, then Arthur, in 1911, is the only Arthur Gregory who has the same YOB and POB as the one in 1901.

And if that's correct, then Jane and Sarah Roberts are the only sisters I could find in the right area, with matching YOB's, the right POB, and the same names as two women who married a Henry Gregory and a Henry Jones respectively.

But I'm open to persuasion!

And certainly, the marriage cert would save us all from heading off on possible wild goose chases.


Elizabeth Report 28 Mar 2013 15:25

hello again, info update that is the right violet may ( my grandmother) it is her sister dorothy and her mother jane i am trying to trace. thanks to argyllgran for the deaths i will look into the possible connections , but none of the ages match exactly , but this woman according to census records and the certificates i have seems not to know when she was born, i guess she lied because her first husband was 14yrs older and second was 8yrs younger.- yes mavis violet & dorothy,s mother was a roberts , there were 7 children . 4died as infants , 1 went to live with aunt & uncle when jane re-married and she kept the 2 youngest violet & dorothy thanks again to you all


Elizabeth Report 28 Mar 2013 15:35

yes ag you have got it right the arthur ( authur in some census) is jane,s son who went to live with her sister sarah and her husband henry jones , when his farther died in 1907


Mavis Report 28 Mar 2013 16:26

Well my theory is wrong then -- if you have the birth cert for Violet then fine.

I did see the Jane and Henry Gregory and sons 1901 there is a Henry and Jane Gregory on the 1911 think she was Jane Didlick = Dec 1900

I also was looking at a Mary Jane Manford born St Martins 1875 then spotted a Davies / Manford child born 1914 Oswestry - Joseph F Davies -- which set me thinking ??

Exploring all the branches makes good family history research



Elizabeth Report 28 Mar 2013 19:44

hi everyone thought i would take a look at the death records you gave me and found another one in 1953 which matched jane birth date and is near to her husbands birth area so i am going to order the certificate and hope for best. will let you know how it goes cheers liz



Elizabeth Report 10 Apr 2013 22:20

re- jane davies , hello again i have just recieved the death cert i ordered and guess what, wrong one this jane davies was the widow of a hugh davies and my gr grandmother was married to a joseph henry , so i guess its back to the drawing board- any one got any other suggestions


Reggie Report 11 Apr 2013 09:01

Dorothy Gregory does not appear in anyone's tree on GR.......not even yours.

You need to include people in your tree in case anyone else is researching them and wishes to make contact

If you purchase Dorothy's birth cert, you will know her exact DOB, which will enable a search to be made for her death...........if she died after 1969.

When and where did you last see her?