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Shirley

Shirley Report 28 Mar 2013 09:31

Could anyone help me in finding out information on Herbert B Brereton born abt 1894 in New South Wales Australia. What I know of him is that he married Eve Bounds in Victoria Australia in 1920. They had one daughter in 1920 in Victoria Australia. I can trace him to 1937 in the Voting rolls in Australia, after that I can not find anything on him. Can any one help me. Thank you Shirley Buchanan
Amended...... I have a marriage certificate between Herbert and Eve or Eva. I also have a birth certificate of a child born to them in 1920 which was sent to me which was for my Mother. Everything matches except the surname which is not what I have known my mother as. I can trace the name known to me of my mother from 1942 onwards in Victoria Australia and In Queensland after she was married in Victoria. Again can any one help me and thank to all who have replied with suggestions. Shirley

patchem

patchem Report 28 Mar 2013 09:43

Shirley,
If you amend your title to include Australia, then people with knowledge of that country can see and help you.

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 28 Mar 2013 09:46

May be, or a co-incidence?

http://ryersonindex.net/search.php


BRERETON Herbert Death notice 20MAY1980 - published Sydney Morning Herald 23MAY1980

Shirley

Shirley Report 30 Mar 2013 00:24

Thank you to those who have answered my request. I now amended my original letter with some more information. Once again thank you to all.

Shirley

Shirley Report 30 Mar 2013 00:24

Thank you to those who have answered my request. I now amended my original letter with some more information. Once again thank you to all.

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Gins

Gins Report 30 Mar 2013 07:47

Was he born in 1892?

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Bertie B Brereton
Birth Date: 1892
Father's Name: Charles O Brereton
Mother's name: Harriet
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Place: Armidale, New South Wales
Registration number: 4264

Are these the parents of the above?


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Charles Oliver Brereton
Spouse Name: Harriet Oraper (Wonder if this should read 'Draper'?)
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1886
Registration number: 6399


The death that Det posted looks promising

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 07:48

Hello Shirley, do you know the names of Herbert's parents?

Was Eve Bounds your mother's mum, or was it someone else?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 07:50

Wondering about this?

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Herbert Brereton
Spouse Name: Florrie Perkins
Marriage Date: 1923
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Rockdale, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1923
Registration number: 5322

EDIT: But there were a few chaps around that time with similar names.

Gins

Gins Report 30 Mar 2013 11:51

Looks like siblings to Bertie


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Charles Brereton
Birth Date: 1888
Father's Name: Charles O Brereton
Mother's name: Harriett
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Place: Young, New South Wales
Registration number: 38239

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Charles Brereton
Death Date: 1888
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Charles C
Mother's name: Harriet
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Place: Young, New South Wales
Registration number: 14324



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Gviofla J Brereton
Birth Date: 1890
Father's Name: Charles O Brereton
Mother's name: Harriett
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Place: Young, New South Wales
Registration number: 38943

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Girofla J Brereton
Death Date: 1890
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Charles Q
Mother's name: Harriette
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Place: Forbes, New South Wales
Registration number: 5095

Gins

Gins Report 30 Mar 2013 11:57

She is listed as Eva here not Eve?


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Herbt Bruce Brereton
Spouse Name: Eva Bounds
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1920
Registration number: 3199

Gins

Gins Report 30 Mar 2013 12:05

Did Herbert change his name? These are at the same address as earlier ER entries and he has the same occupation, labourer


Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Herbert Bruce & Eva Johnson
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1949
State: Victoria
District: Indi
Subdistrict: Alexandra

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 12:19

pms received:

"From the information I have I am sure Eva Bounds was my mothers mother but I along side with my siblings we ave only known my mothers maiden name as Johnson. When applying for my mothers birth certificate I received the surname as been Brereton everything else seems to matcht except for the surname. I applied for the marriage ceritificate of Herbert and Eva and found that the witness was a Melba and Ernest Johnson. I can trace the Brereton Family (Herbert and Eva) up until 1937 living around the area where my mother lived before her marriage in 1942. I then can trace my grandparents herbert and Eva and also my mother in 1942 and further on untill 1964 in the same area. I do not know where to go from here. I am thinking they are the same people and for some reason changed their name. I can not ask my mother as she passed away many years ago nor can I ask her brother as his memory is not the best. Hoping somene can help me. Shirley."

and

"Yes Eva Bound from what I can work out was my mothrs mother but I am not sure of the name Brereton as the first I heard of it was when I received a birth certificate for my mother. Everything checks out with names and dates except the surname Brereton. I only knew my mother as Johnson. Shirley"

Gins

Gins Report 30 Mar 2013 12:40

Thanks MC

Shirley can you please post back on here rather than sending PMs. That way we can all see the information you have.

So the ER I posted earlier is your couple. Maybe Herbert was brought up with the Johnsone family and changed his name

Gins

Gins Report 30 Mar 2013 12:43

Heres the connection

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Ernest Johnson
Name: Ernest Johnson
Spouse Name: Melba Brereton
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1914
Page Number: 0690

Shirley

Shirley Report 30 Mar 2013 23:55

Thanks to all with the information. I would like to know why the change of name and when did if happen if any one could tell me where to look I would be very pleased.

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 31 Mar 2013 02:00

In the UK, anyone can call themselves what they like, as long as it isn't for fraudulent/illegal purposes. In England, one can 'officially' change ones name by Dead Poll

If you don't know if it is the same in Australia, may be the NSW (as that's were they seem to have lived) Ask a Librarian service might be able to help or advise.

http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/au

If you haven't already, search Trove (to 1950) to see if there is anything there which might give a clue, such as a public notice of change of name.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

Shirley

Shirley Report 31 Mar 2013 04:18

Thank you to everyone with your suggestions. I will try searching further with those suggestions. Thank you all again

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Apr 2013 01:13

Hi everyone

Yes Deed Poll does exist in Australia and you are required to change your surname legally. See www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/change+of+name/deed+poll/

Deed Poll records are held at the the Public Records Office of Victoria for 1904-1986; however, public access is shown as 'closed'. :-(

This is interesting, from NLA Trove:

The Sydney Morning Herald, Friday 27 February 1931
JOHNSON V JOHNSON
The petition of Melba Augustine Johnson (formerly Brereton) for a divorce from her husband, Ernest Johnson, on the ground of desertion, was stood over generally The parties were married at Hobart on April 14, 1914. Mr. O. R. Penny appeared for the petitioner.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Friday 30 October 1931
UNDEFENDED SUITS
Melba Augustine Johnson (formerly Brereton) v Ernest John Johnson. Marriage April 1914, at Hobart King street. Church rites. Issue, desertion. Decree nisi. Mr O. R. Penny tor petltioner.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Apr 2013 01:27

The Herbert BRERETON who died in NSW in 1980 was a son of Wm & Ada so probably not your man. Perhaps he died as JOHNSON?

Do you have deaths for either Eva or Herbert? Where were they living in 1964?

Just found in index that Eva BOUNDS (not BOUND) had a daughter named Grace BOUNDS in 1919 in Carlton (reg 9646), father not named. Then Edna May BRERETON with Herbert in 1920 (same place).

Do you know if your mum knew about a sister?

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 3 Apr 2013 01:31

Death for Melba in NSW?

18661/1977 JOHNSON MELBA AUGUSTINE / / HENRIETTA


So how is she connected to Herbert?