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Lily Sophia Drury/ginger nee Shaw

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Sharon

Sharon Report 28 Mar 2013 20:09

Please could anyone help me? I am trying to find out where my g grandmother, Lily Sophia Shaw was in 1901.
She was born, Lily Sophia Shaw in Hammersmith in 1878/79.
In the 1911 census she was living in Willesden with her husband, George Henry Drury, who she married in 1902 and she is listed as having one child.
The thing is, I know for certain that she had two other children - Rose A Branch - Born: 1897/98 and William Branch - Born: 1900. Both these children are listed in the 1911 census as being at the West london district school.
I have been unable to find a marriage for Lily Sophia Shaw to a Mr. Branch and can only assume that there was no marriage to him.
Lily Sophia Drury then went on to marry an Arthur Edgar Ginger (my g grandfather) in 1914.
Any information on Lily Sophia and her whereabouts in 1901 would be greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards
Sharon :-)

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 20:20

Name: Lily S Shaw
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 12
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Hammersmith, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hendon
Sub-District: Willesden
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity
Parish: Willesden
County: Middlesex

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 28 Mar 2013 20:21

How do you know the Branch children were hers ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 28 Mar 2013 20:23

Just for info

Name: George Henry Drury
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 41
Spouse Name: Lily Sophia Shaw
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Feb 1902
Parish: West Kilburn St Luke
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William John Drury
Spouse Father Name: George Henry Shaw
Register Type: Parish Register

patchem

patchem Report 28 Mar 2013 20:34

Which Rose is hers?
Births Jun 1897
Branch Rose Alice Hendon 3a 227
Births Mar 1898
BRANCH Rose Alice E Croydon 2a 243
Thank-you.

Added:
Rose A E is with her parents in 1901 census, so the other one?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 28 Mar 2013 20:35

Unfortunately Rose on 1911 does not give any place of birth

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 28 Mar 2013 20:37

1901 ??

Name: Lily S Branch
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Branch
Gender: Female
Where born: Hammersmith

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 1220
Folio: 107
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
William Branch 30
Lily S Branch 24
Rose A Branch 4
William G Branch 1

Choccy

Choccy Report 28 Mar 2013 20:43


FMP version

1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 1220
Folio: 107
Page: 13
Reg. District: Hendon
Sub District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden
Enum. District: 38
Ecclesiastical District: St Lukes
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 67, Denmark Road, Willesden
County: Middlesex

BRANCH, William Head Married M 30 1871 Brick Contractors Carman
Summerstown, London
BRANCH, Lily S Wife Married F 24 1877 Laundress
Hammersmith, London
BRANCH, Rose A Daughter Single F 4 1897
Paddington, London
BRANCH, William G Son Single M 1 1900
Kilburn, Middlesex

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 28 Mar 2013 20:46

The tree on Ancestry does not make any sense at all so not going to bother using any of that info

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 20:56

Name: Lily Sophia Drury
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 33
Birthplace: Hammersmith, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Willesden
Sub-District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden
County: Middlesex

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 28 Mar 2013 20:57

On her marriage in 1902 to George Henry Drury her address is given as 72 Denmark Street so the 1901 posted above seems right as she was at no 67 then.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 20:58

Name: Rose A Branch
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Paddington, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hendon
Sub-District: Willesden
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Lukes
Civil Parish: Willesden
District/Parish/County: Middlesex

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 21:01

Name: Arthur E Ginger
Age (Original): 0
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1881
Birthplace: London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation:
Address: 57 Pembroke Rd
Event Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341331
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1364 / 109
Page Number: 40
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Ginger M 39 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire, England
Wife Ann Ginger F 40 Ivanhoe Acton, Buckinghamshire, England
Daughter Edith Ginger F 6 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
Daughter Kate Emily Ginger F 4 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
Son Arthur E Ginger M 0 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 21:01

Name: Auther Edgar Ginger
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birthplace: Kilburn, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Willesden
Sub-District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden
County: Middlesex

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Mar 2013 21:21

Name: Rose Branch
Age: 8
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1897
School: Wilberforce Memorial School
Borough: Westminster
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1905
Parent: George Drewey
Notes: Non-provided school (0238): in 1929 Wilberforce Church of England School renamed the Wilberforce School (London County Council, 1211)
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV02/WIL/AD/003


Address looks like 54 Herries?

Sharon

Sharon Report 1 Apr 2013 08:35

Hello AnnCardiff, GlitterBaby, Patchem, Rootgatherer, Choccy and MarieCeleste...
Just to let you all know that I have seen all your posts to me and every one of them is very much appreciated - Thank you so much for all your help.
It would seem that Lily Sophia did indeed marry a Mr. Branch! This piece of information being particularly helpful. Will go on searching for this marriage now.

To GlitterBaby...I know that the Branch children were Lily Sophia's because of speaking with my Nan and other members of family in the past. My Nan always referred to Rose as a step sister. I also remember seeing Rose when I was younger. Not ruling out skeletons in the closet of course! But thanks to everyone's input to my post, hopefully I'm nearer to what was what :-D

Kind regards and thanks once again

Sharon

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 09:27

Have you actually found a birth for Lily Sophia, I can't see one - nor a marriage for her parents shown on 1891 census - another mystery.

She married Mr Drury as a spinster and under her maiden name in 1902, so it is doubtful there ever was a marriage to William Branch, added to which there is no death registered for him 1901/2 (at least not England/Wales)

Added: To add even more confusion, George Henry Drury was a widow age 41 on the marriage certificate but on the 1911 census is shown as 34??

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 11:05

Why would they say only married 4 years on the 1911, when it was actually 9?

DRURY, George Henry Head Married M 34 1877 Carman Notting Hill
DRURY, Lily Sophia Wife Married 4 years F 33 1878 Washer Hammersmith
DRURY, George Henry Son M 3 1908 Paddington North

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6987
Reference: RG14PN6987 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED7 SN323
Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Willesden

Address: 54 Canterbury Road Kilburn N W County: Middlesex

Was George lying about age to minimise the age gap?

Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2013 11:48

1881 Kensington Town D30c >23
George Starr (SHAW) 1850 labourer
Sophia 1847
Emily 1867
George H 1874
Lily 1879 Hammersmith.

Maryb

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 11:54

Posting 1891 for reference, so her dad was born Canada?

SHAW, George Head Married M 41 1850 Labourer Roadman St Johns New Brunswick
SHAW, Sophia Wife Married F 44 1847 Greenford
SHAW, George H Son Single M 17 1874 Watchmaker Kensington, London
SHAW, James Son M 15 1876 Groom Hammersmith, London
SHAW, Lily S Daughter F 12 1879 Hammersmith, London
CARDLE, Edwin Lodger Single M 18 1873 Greengrocer Paddington, London
WARD, Charles Grandson M 13 1878 Milkman Paddington, London
MCCARTHY, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 33 1858 Mantle Maker

Piece: 1045 Folio: 175 Page: 11
Registration District: Hendon
Civil Parish: Willesden

Address: 26, Alpha Place North, Willesden County: Middlesex

George and Sophia seem a bit young to have a grandson of 13?