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Lily Sophia Drury/ginger nee Shaw

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Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2013 14:04

Ellen Nicholas 1854 married Stephen Ward born @ 1840 in France.
They had son Charles D (Douglas) Ward born 14/10/1877,he is the grandson? on 1891 census with the Shaw family.

Also William Nicholas bap 19/12/1858 to William and Sophia Nicholas nee Porter.

Maryb.

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 13:18

Sophia had an older sister Ellen on 1841 census:

Ellen Porter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Feb 1834
Father's Name: Joseph Porter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Porter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenford
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Father labourer of Greenford Green.

Sharon

Sharon Report 1 Apr 2013 13:07

Thank you everyone - I really do appreciate your help.
Armed with all this information, think I now have a few more questions to ask my family, such as a possible Canadian link?
I'm a little bit rusty to say the least as I've not been doing my tree for a while now, but hopefully after processing all the info I'll be back on track.
Thank you one again

Sharon

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 12:50

Lillie Sophia Shaw
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 May 1887
Father's Name: George Henry Shaw
Mother's name: Sophia Shaw
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Augustine
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Aged 8 written in margin, father a labourer, of 33 Elford Place

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 12:47

Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
SHAW Lillie Sophia Fulham 1a 201

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 12:42

Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
Drury Lily Sophia Greenwich 1d 951

Must have missed this earlier

Sorry, ignore this - have picked up the wrong name.

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 12:27

Sophia Porter
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Porter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Porter
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Greenford, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Greenford
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 1699
Folio: 710
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Porter 40
Elizabeth Porter 30
Sophia Porter 15
Miriam Porter 11
Ann Sarah Porter 8
Sarah Porter 72

Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2013 12:24

1871 Kensington Town 28b . 54
Sophia Nicholas says 1818 but more like 1838 needlewoman no status ie married widow etc
James 1863 kensington
Emily 1868 Kensington.

So this is the same woman.

Maryb

Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2013 12:17

Sophia Porter married 17/10/1852 to William Nicholas.
She was a minor and he full age dad of Sophia was Joseph Porter and the witness's were Elizabeth Porter and Thomas Rich.Address Dudley street.

So would she have been older than stated on 1881 census!!

Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 12:04

Could Lily Sophia be Sophia's daughter from a previous marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George Henry Shaw - bachelor, a labourer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 29
Spouse Name: Sophia Nicholas - WIDOW
Spouse Age: 36
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Apr 1878
Parish: Notting Hill St Clement
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Stephen Shaw - labourer
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Perter (Porter) - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both - 127 St Anne's Street

Witnesses: Elizabeth McCarthy & Charles Dyas (the latter seems to be a professional witness as is on other pages)

Sharon

Sharon Report 1 Apr 2013 12:02

Ancestry -

Name: Lillie Sophia Shaw
Mother: Sophia Shaw
Father: George Henry Shaw

The spelling of Lily seems to have changed

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 11:54

Posting 1891 for reference, so her dad was born Canada?

SHAW, George Head Married M 41 1850 Labourer Roadman St Johns New Brunswick
SHAW, Sophia Wife Married F 44 1847 Greenford
SHAW, George H Son Single M 17 1874 Watchmaker Kensington, London
SHAW, James Son M 15 1876 Groom Hammersmith, London
SHAW, Lily S Daughter F 12 1879 Hammersmith, London
CARDLE, Edwin Lodger Single M 18 1873 Greengrocer Paddington, London
WARD, Charles Grandson M 13 1878 Milkman Paddington, London
MCCARTHY, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 33 1858 Mantle Maker

Piece: 1045 Folio: 175 Page: 11
Registration District: Hendon
Civil Parish: Willesden

Address: 26, Alpha Place North, Willesden County: Middlesex

George and Sophia seem a bit young to have a grandson of 13?

Mary

Mary Report 1 Apr 2013 11:48

1881 Kensington Town D30c >23
George Starr (SHAW) 1850 labourer
Sophia 1847
Emily 1867
George H 1874
Lily 1879 Hammersmith.

Maryb

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 11:05

Why would they say only married 4 years on the 1911, when it was actually 9?

DRURY, George Henry Head Married M 34 1877 Carman Notting Hill
DRURY, Lily Sophia Wife Married 4 years F 33 1878 Washer Hammersmith
DRURY, George Henry Son M 3 1908 Paddington North

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6987
Reference: RG14PN6987 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED7 SN323
Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Willesden

Address: 54 Canterbury Road Kilburn N W County: Middlesex

Was George lying about age to minimise the age gap?

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 09:27

Have you actually found a birth for Lily Sophia, I can't see one - nor a marriage for her parents shown on 1891 census - another mystery.

She married Mr Drury as a spinster and under her maiden name in 1902, so it is doubtful there ever was a marriage to William Branch, added to which there is no death registered for him 1901/2 (at least not England/Wales)

Added: To add even more confusion, George Henry Drury was a widow age 41 on the marriage certificate but on the 1911 census is shown as 34??

Sharon

Sharon Report 1 Apr 2013 08:35

Hello AnnCardiff, GlitterBaby, Patchem, Rootgatherer, Choccy and MarieCeleste...
Just to let you all know that I have seen all your posts to me and every one of them is very much appreciated - Thank you so much for all your help.
It would seem that Lily Sophia did indeed marry a Mr. Branch! This piece of information being particularly helpful. Will go on searching for this marriage now.

To GlitterBaby...I know that the Branch children were Lily Sophia's because of speaking with my Nan and other members of family in the past. My Nan always referred to Rose as a step sister. I also remember seeing Rose when I was younger. Not ruling out skeletons in the closet of course! But thanks to everyone's input to my post, hopefully I'm nearer to what was what :-D

Kind regards and thanks once again

Sharon

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Mar 2013 21:21

Name: Rose Branch
Age: 8
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1897
School: Wilberforce Memorial School
Borough: Westminster
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1905
Parent: George Drewey
Notes: Non-provided school (0238): in 1929 Wilberforce Church of England School renamed the Wilberforce School (London County Council, 1211)
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV02/WIL/AD/003


Address looks like 54 Herries?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 21:01

Name: Auther Edgar Ginger
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birthplace: Kilburn, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Willesden
Sub-District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden
County: Middlesex

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 21:01

Name: Arthur E Ginger
Age (Original): 0
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1881
Birthplace: London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation:
Address: 57 Pembroke Rd
Event Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341331
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1364 / 109
Page Number: 40
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Ginger M 39 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire, England
Wife Ann Ginger F 40 Ivanhoe Acton, Buckinghamshire, England
Daughter Edith Ginger F 6 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
Daughter Kate Emily Ginger F 4 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
Son Arthur E Ginger M 0 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Mar 2013 20:58

Name: Rose A Branch
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Paddington, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hendon
Sub-District: Willesden
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Lukes
Civil Parish: Willesden
District/Parish/County: Middlesex