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GANGE & MOSS FAMILIES HAMPSTEAD/ HANOVER SQ 1910

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Anne

Anne Report 29 Mar 2013 13:18

1911 census shows Isabel Gange living in the house of Frank Moss at 32 Greencroft Gardens, South Hampstead. isabel was an orphan and was listed in the census as "cousin". I am trying to find the connection between her and Frank Moss. There are a number of Gange families living in St George Hanover Square and Frank Moss was born in that area.

Isabel's father was Samuel Gange but he lived most of his life in Marseilles France and was married there. Although I have found several "Samuel Gange" records I do not know which one is right and am hoping to find it through Isabel's connection.

Isabel's mother's maiden name was Pirie and hailed from Scotland so I don't think the Pirie family is the connection to the Moss family.

I would be very pleased to hear from anyone who can give me the link between the Gange and Moss families

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 13:20

Have you tracked Frank Moss back through the censuses?
Thanks

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 13:26

Hello Anne, how old was Isabel on the 1911? Where was her birthplace?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Mar 2013 13:27

1911 (reference)
MOSS, Frank Head Married M 54 1857 Tea Merchant St Georges Hanover Sq London
MOSS, Edith Rose Wife Married25 years F 45 1866 St Saviour Paddington London
MOSS, Beatrice Maud Daughter Single F 24 1887 St Saviour Paddington London
MOSS, Arthur Frank Son Single M 22 1889 Clerk To Stock Broker St Saviour Paddington London
MOSS, Gertrude May Daughter Single F 19 1892 St Saviour Paddington London
GINGE, Isabel Emily Cousin Single F 31 1880 Aberdeen
SAMUELS, May Single F 17 1894 Servant Kilburn London
RG number: RG14
Piece: 646
Reference: RG14PN646 RG78PN22 RD8 SD1 ED56 SN67
Registration District: Hampstead
Sub District: Hampstead
Enumeration District: 56
Parish: Hampstead
Address: 32 Greencroft Gardens South Hampstead N W
County: London

Chris :)

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 13:28

She is Tinge on ancestry!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 13:31

I guess she'd be the daughter of one of Frank or Edith Rose's parent's siblings - have you tracked them all?

The term cousin was sometimes loosely used ......

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Mar 2013 13:33

Name: Frank Moss
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 28
Spouse Name: Edith Rose Moss
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 May 1885
Parish: Paddington St Saviour
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Henry Moss
Spouse Father Name: James Moss
Register Type: Parish Register

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 13:33

1891 Scotland Census
Isabel Lange
Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen
Registration number: 168/2
Registration district: Old Machar
Civil parish: Aberdeen Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 110, Crown Street ED: 17 Household schedule number: 26
Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1891_53
Elizabeth Warrack 45
William McEwan 38
Eliza McEwan 28
Sarah Gange 33
Isabel Lange 11
Source Citation: Parish: Aberdeen Old Machar; ED: 17; Page: 4; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1891_53.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 13:35

pm from Anne:

"Thank you for your quick reply.

She was born Isabella Emily Gange 23 January 1880 Broad Street Aberdeen. Her father Samuel worked in Marseilles (her parents got married in France) and Isabella and her mother lodge in Aberdeen during the summer and wintered in Marseilles. Both parents died young circa 1895."

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Mar 2013 13:37

Name: Edith Rose Moss
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1866
Father's Name: James Moss
Mother's name: Mary Jane Moss
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: James Moss
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Jane Fishlock
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1860
Parish: Paddington St John
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Richard Moss
Spouse Father Name: Richard Fishlock
Register Type: Parish Register

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Mar 2013 13:37

Unless someone is actively researching them, the chances of a link being known are minimal.

You will need to do some 'digging'

Have you used 'search all trees'?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Mar 2013 13:39

1881 census

Name: Isabella Gange
Age: 14 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Abdn., Aberdeensh.
Registration number: 168/1
Registration district: St Nicholas
Civil parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas
County: Aberdeenshire
ED: 30
Household schedule number: 127
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_50
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Donald Dobson 39
William Dobson 9
Charles Dobson 4
Barbara Massie Donald 75
Isabella Gange 14 Mo

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Mar 2013 13:42

Anne

If you have feedback, please post it on here........in the same way as all the replies to your request have been posted

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 13:45

Further pm:

"In reply I have tried to track the Moss family. Turns out that Edith Rose's maiden name was also Moss. But, of course, there seem to be quite a few Frank Moss, either in Pimlico or St George's Hanover Square and I feel I'm going up a blind alley.

I'm pretty sure Isabel was a cousin. She was my grandmother and I've heard the story a few times."

Anne, further down this page is the "add your reply" box - just put your answers in there and submit. :-)

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 15:16

Do you have a birth place or year for Samuel Gange, and occupation?
Any idea of his father's name?
Thank-you

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 15:22

1871 England Census
Edith R Moss Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Moss Mother's name: Mary T Moss
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London
Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 38a Household schedule number: 170 Piece: 45 Folio: 51 Page Number: 32
James Moss 34 painter London
Mary T Moss 33 London
Maude M Moss 7 London
Edith R Moss 5 London
Isabella Etherington 38
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 45; Folio: 51; Page: 32; GSU roll: 824567.

No other children showing in 1881
Maud unmarried in 1891.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 15:32

To help us work back:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Isabel Emily Gange
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 32
Spouse Name: Edward Thomas Bickford Cole
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Oct 1912
Parish: St Lawrence Jewry
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Samuel Gange
Spouse Father Name: William Cole - Clerk
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before.

Edward Cole was a clerk in Eastern Telegraph Co and lived King Street ?

Isabel lived 32 Greencroft Gardens (as per 1911)

Samuel Gange was also a clerk in Eastern Telegraph Co (it doesn't say he was deceased but maybe the question wasn't asked?)

Witnesses: Frank Moss and Frederick Albert Fraser.

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 15:44

Is this Edith Rose's family in 1861, as her mother is now from Ireland
1861 England Census
James Edward Moss Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Moss
Gender: Male Where born: St Dunstan City of London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Southwark St John Horsleydown
County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Occupation: numerical painter
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St John Horsleydown
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 76 Piece: 318
James Edward Moss 21
Mary Moss 21 Ireland Mitchelstown
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 318; Folio: 81; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542613.

??
Marriages Jun 1861
McGREGOR Mary Jane St Geo Han Sq 1a 423
Moss James St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1a 423


Added:
Rereading, Shirley's marriage to Fishlock looks better.

This is the wrong family, IGNORE

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 15:51

1861 England Census
James Moss Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary J Moss
Gender: Male Where born: Carshalton, Essex, England
Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Occupation: Coach Painter
Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household schedule number: 441
Piece: 6 Folio: 119 Page Number: 10
James Moss 25
Mary J Moss 24
Harriett Fishlock 45
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 6; Folio: 119; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542555.

patchem

patchem Report 29 Mar 2013 16:18

??
With a Father Richard:
1841 England Census
Jas Moss Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male Civil parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: St Marylebone
Piece: 680 Book: 5 Folio: 16 Page Number: 24
Layah Moss 30 Sarah
Ruhol Moss 30 Richard Coachman
Richd Moss 9
Jas Moss 5
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 680; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St Marylebone; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 16; Page: 24; Line: 21; GSU roll: 438796.