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Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill

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Flip

Flip Report 30 Mar 2013 09:59

I'm not getting at the posters MC, as you say everything is in the public domain. I just wonder why Kevin doesn't contact the family if he has a legitimate reason for researching them.

Cicely may have died recently (or just moved) as the house was put on the market in May 2012, but both children are alive, kicking and on the ERs, daughter is also in the phone book.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 09:49

That's a fair point Flip - her husband's obit in 2011 does imply she was still alive then.

Although everything I've posted is in the public domain I'll delete as soon as Kevin confirms he has noted all of the information.

Flip

Flip Report 30 Mar 2013 09:10

It looks like Cicily is still alive, and in the phone book. If you are related wouldn't it be better to contact her rather than publish her life history on a public site?

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:52

Here's Dorothy Boulter, Nurse, going out to Bombay

Name: Miss Dorothy Boulter
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1888
Departure Date: 25 Sep 1925
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: Merkara
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Merkara' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: British India Shipping and Navigation Company Limited
Official Number: 136332
Master: F E Harvey

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:45

Doesn't help with Cicily...

ame: Richard Hill
Birth Date: abt 1924
Age: 3
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 29 Sep 1927
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Plymouth
Ship Name: Mantua
Search Ship Database: View the 'Mantua' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 127544

This three year old child was travelling with a Mary Hill aged four...but nobody else it seems!

Going to Keyharen Road Milford on Sea Lymington as was a Dorothy Boulter

K

K Report 30 Mar 2013 08:41

Based on the probate that MC found Edward Eustace was born in 1876

Name: Edward E Hill
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 6b
Page: 140

1901???

Name: Edward E Hill
[Edward E Hills]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: St Mary in the Castle
Ecclesiastical parish: Silverdale St Mary in the Castle
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 329
Piece: 866
Folio: 71
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Minnie L Hill 24
Alice A Hill 19
Lelina E Campbell 31
Reginald W Campbell 6
Edward E Hill 24 Clergyman of C of E




HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:32

Edward and Elizabeth's marriage - The Times: 1922 Marriage, 20 April 1922, at St Margaret's, Addington, Kent, Edward Eustace Hill, Chaplain, Bombay, son of the late Lt Col F J P Hill, 1st Royal Scots, married to Elizabeth Cator, only daughter of Lt Comdr B A Cator, of Orchards, West Mallin

So could Richard Eustace and Cicily Margaret be twins born in India?

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:27

Well this nails down Richard Eustace but ther'e not an England/Wales birth for him as far as I can see

Lieutenant, H.M.S. Glory died 28th January 1950
Son of Rev Edward Eustace and Elizabeth nee Cator of Bournemouth, Hampshire

Buried at Capuccini (Kalkara) Naval Cemetery, Malta

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/malta-h-m-forces-in-addolorata-2c-pembroke-2c-imtarfa-and-capuccini-cemeteries-foreign-office-and-scotland-yard/p70258-hill-2c-richard-eustace-cator.html

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 30 Mar 2013 08:21

This is that marriage to Elizabeth Cator

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
CATOR Elizabeth Hill Malling 2a 1735
CHAPMAN Alice M Stewart Malling 2a 1735
Cox Tom F Orwell Medway 2a 1735
HILL Edward E Cator Malling 2a 1735


Two children (listed above in the ER)

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
HILL Mary E Cator Malling 2a 1352
Births Mar 1931 (>99%)
Hill John E Cator Malling 2a 1344

So just WHO are Cicily and Richard Wustace Cator Hill?

There is a tree on Ancestry has Richard Eustace as the son of Edward Eustace and Elizabeth born 01/06/1924. Also these two children (deceased) and a private one (still living) - maybe Richard and Cicily were twins? And born outside of England/Wales?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 07:17

Hi Kevin, it's quite confusing because there are two clergymen called Eustace Hill and just a few years apart in age.

Even more confusing is that there's the birth reg that BMD posted above for a Cecile MW Hill born 1912 but there doesn't appear to be a reg for the Cicely born 1924.

WhiffingSiggs

WhiffingSiggs Report 29 Mar 2013 21:12

Sorry to disappear, this all looks very helpful, plenty to work on, thank you all very much.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:35

Death of her husband:

United Kingdom and Ireland Obituary Collection

Name of Deceased: Henry Temple Close-Smith
Death Date: 28 Aug 2011
Cause of Death: Alzheimer's
Obituary Date: 7 Sep 2011
Newspaper Title: The Times
Newspaper Location: London, City of London, England
Spouse's Name: Cicely
Childrens' Names: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (deleted them)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:25

Dee, I think her mother was Elizabeth Cator, as above.

Possible probate for father:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Reverend Edward Eustace Hill
Probate Date: 9 Mar 1959
Death Date: 1 Dec 1958
Death Place: Bournemouth, England lived Flat 2, 31 Grove Road
Registry: London, England

Probate to widow Elizabeth. Effects £6,702 16s 4d

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Mar 2013 16:20

I wonder if she fudged her age and year of birth. This looks like a sisters birth;


England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Betty D W Hill
Name: Betty D W Hill
Mother's Maiden Surname: Byles
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration district: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 86 (click to see others on page)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:18

Dee, I think Cicely's father was actually Edward Eustace Hill - just found the above.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Mar 2013 16:16

His full title;


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Reverend Eustace St Clair Hill
Name: Reverend Eustace St Clair Hill
Probate Date: 25 Mar 1953
Death Date: 12 Feb 1952
Death Place: Hampshire, England
Registry: Exeter

Unfortunately it doesn't name any kin

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 16:14

According to this, Cicely M W Hill was born 1924:

http://www.william1.co.uk/w194.htm (scroll down)

D2. Elizabeth Cator, of Bournemouth, Hampshire, Md. 1922, Rev. Edward Eustace Hill, Rector of North Cray, Kent, + 1958.
E1. Richard Eustace Cator Hill, Lt., R.N., * 1924, + 1950.
E2. John Edward Hill, * 1931.
E3. Mary Elizabeth Hill, * 1923, Md. 1942, James Bryan Bellew, 7th Baron Bellew of Barmeath, * 1920, + 2010.
E4. Cicely Margaret Wingfield Hill, * 1924, Md. 1949, Capt. Henry Temple Close-Smith, * 1918, s. of Maj. Thomas Close Smith, of Boycott Manor, Buckingham,

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Mar 2013 15:57

Is this her father in 1911?

HODGES, George Head Married M 59 1852 Clergyman Established Church London Middlesex
HODGES, Agnes Helena Wife Married34 years F 57 1854 Gravesend Kent
HODGES, Agnes Maud Daughter Single F 29 1882 Stoke E England Suffolk
HODGES, George Edmund James Son Single M 17 1894 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HODGES, Reginald Sanders Son Single M 15 1896 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HILL, Eustace Visitor Single M 39 1872 Clergyman Established Church Honiton Devonshire <<
CALTON, Ada Servant Single F 32 1879 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
BEATH, Alice Servant Single F 20 1891 Edwardstone Suffolk

RG number: RG14 Piece: 10621
Reference: RG14PN10621 RG78PN570 RD207 SD2 ED10 SN319
Registration District: Bury St Edmunds
Sub District: Bury St Edmunds
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Bury St Edmunds

Address: 3 Churchyard Bury St Edmunds County: Suffolk

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 29 Mar 2013 15:43

Maybe her birth?


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Hill Cecil Parr Prescot 8b 1584
Hill Cecile M W Byles Paddington 1a 135 ******
Births Mar 1913 (>99%)

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Mar 2013 15:36

I've found the 1948 marriage now. Don't know why it didn't come up the first time I looked!!

Kath. x