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The birth registers show that Lilian Maud Pitman was the daughter of Charles Thomas Pitman and Elizabeth Dwyer.

Denis Pitman was Lilian's son, there is no father named on the certificate.

Thank's Marie, i will give it a try.

Basil, the tree on Ancestry has a lot of detailed information. If you're not a member of ancestry then you can search and view public Ancestry trees on their sister site, Mundia. You can also contact the tree owners, would be worth doing in this case as they might know about Lilian Maud.

You have to register but it's free. http://www.mundia.com/gb/

No my tree is on this site not Ancestry.

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If the I D card's usually show maiden name does this mean that Lilian Maud is the daughter of Charles Thomas and Elizabeth Pitman and that Denis her son is illegitmate?. I must try to find the birth for Denis so that i can get a certificate.

Just had a thought re the ID cards - they usually show the maiden name as in,

Registration Card of Ada Jane Le Cocq, née Michel, of 9, Ingouville Place, St Helier, born 30/09/1888 (D/S/A/4/A2573)

so it's likely that Lilian was unmarried.

It could just be a coincidence, but wonder if this could be her, birth date is exact?

Lilian Maud Worrall
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1913
Date of Registration: Oct 1997
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: A62B
District and Subdistrict: 4751A
Entry number: 242

Basil, is that your tree on Ancestry? If not, then that person knows a lot about the family.

Thank you all for your help I have a lot to work on now thanks again.

Children were usually added to the father's ID card. They were only included on the mother's cards if the child was illegitimate or if the father was not on the island, probably in the armed forces.

According to a tree on Ancestry Charles William married a Rosa Zugmaier in st Heleier in 1939, Cyril married Hilda Florence Stansfield in 1938. No details of who George married.

Based on my theory above, the 1911 shows Charles Thomas had two other sons of an age to be married by 1933:

PITMAN, Charles Thomas Head Married M 33 1878 Blacksmith (Coachworks) Jersey St Heliers
PITMAN, Elizabeth Wife Married 9 years F 29 1882 Lancashire England
PITMAN, George Son Single M 8 1903 Lancashire England
PITMAN, Doris Daughter Single F 3 1908 Lancashire England
PITMAN, Charles William Son Single M 2 1909 Jersey St Heliers
PITMAN, Florance Daughter Single F 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Jersey St Heliers

RG number: RG14 Piece: 34912
Reference: RG14PN34912 RG78PN2013B RD637 SD4 ED34 SN15
Registration District: Jersey
Enumeration District: 34
Parish: St Helier

Address: 14 Journeaux St St Helier's Jersey County: Jersey

Original image says only the 4 children born

EDIT: There were actually three other children born and died according to baptisms and deaths

I don't know much about ID cards but would think if a child was added to a woman's ID card then would that mean that it was her child? If so she may well have been a married woman and Pitman was not her maiden name.

Could she have been a daughter-in-law of Charles Thomas Pitman?

Just posting for background:

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: Charles Thomas Pitman - Coachsmith
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 23
Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1901
Parish: Bury, St Paul
Parish as it Appears: Bury, St Paul
Father's Name: George Pitman - Plasterer
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dwyer (21) - Weaver
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Dwyer - Pipefitter
Reference Number: GB127.L173/1/2/6

Neither married before. Address for both given as 39 Chesham New Road.

Witnesses: James William Dwyer and Esther Emma Kay

Registration card of Lilian Maud Pitman of 5, Ingouville Place, St Helier, born 13/10/1913, also Denis Pitman, born 19/06/1933, registered as a child on the back of the card. (D/S/A/4/A9567)
1941-01-23 - 1941-01-23
1 photographic print-b & w

There are lots of Pitmans in Jersey. Are you just assuming that she's related because she has the same surname or do you know for sure?

How could you give an exact DOB if you now think she was born 20 years earlier?

Where and how did you come across the woman's name?

Where was your father born?

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Marriages Jun 1901

DWYER Elizabeth ..Bury 8c 928 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Holt John Dennes ..Bury 8c 928
PITMAN Charles Thomas ..Bury 8c 928 <<<<<<<<<<
VALENTINE Mary ..Bury 8c 928

From the National Archives site

There are no birth, marriage or death records for the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man available to see online.

What records can I find at The National Archives at Kew?
The National Archives does not hold any birth certificates or parish baptism records for the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man.
What records can I find in other archives and organisations?
Channel Islands: Civil and parish registers
Visit the Priaulx Library for civil records for Guernsey from 1840, Alderney from 1850, and for parish registers for the Bailiwick of Guernsey (c1570-present), and the Jersey Heritage Research Centre for indexes to civil and parish registers for Jersey.

search the FamilySearch catalogue for microfilm copies of records for the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man, which can be ordered for viewing at FamilySearch Centres worldwide.



So if Lillian lived all her life on the Channel Islands then you would need to the local records offices

Hi
My father was Cyril Pitman (1912-1986) .
I now think Lilian Maud Pitman was born in 1913 not 1933.
My Grandfather was Charles T Pitman married to Elizabeth Dwyer thay were married in England but i dont know about Lilian Jersey was under German occupation in world war 11 and all had to have I D cards, her registation card gave the same address as my Grandfather.

We need more info. Did she live on the Channel islands ,did she marry in England what more can you tell us .

She doesn't show in her full name on the records

How have you come across her?

Presumably you are not sure if she was born Pitman or married into the family.

I guess we need to know some more about your father - who where and when