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BLACKSHAW family of Hunslet, Leeds, Yorkshire

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John

John Report 30 Mar 2013 13:59

Please can anyone find any info for me on the twin brother of my late grandmother? I don't have a living relative I can ask. My grandmother was Lily Blackshaw. Lily and Albert were born 1886 Hunslet, Leeds. I cannot find a marriage for Albert, nor any children or a death on any of the usual websites. Albert appears on the census of 1901 age 15.
Similarly I cannot find marriages, deaths etc for his three older brothers: Frederick, born 1873, Walter, born 1876 and Arthur, born 1882. I do know that eldest child, Emily Blackshaw, born 1871, married and emigrated to the USA and I am researching her family at the moment. Thanks :-)
John

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:04

1891 census showing all of family for info.
1891 census transcription details for: 22, Cemetery Road, Hunslet, Leeds

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3666
Folio: 124
Page: 35
Reg. District: Hunslet
Sub District: Hunslet
Parish: Hunslet
Enum. District: 45
Ecclesiastical District: St Lukes Holbeck
City/Municipal Borough: Leeds
Address: 22, Cemetery Road, Hunslet, Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BLACKSHAW, John Head Married M 41 1850 Slater Darfield, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Wife Married F 42 1849 Ireland Dublin
BLACKSHAW, Emily Daughter F 20 1871 Leeds, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Fred Son Single M 17 1874 Brush Maker ApprenticeLeeds, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Arthur Son Single M 8 1883 ScholarLeeds, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Lilly Daughter Single F 5 1886 Scholar, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Albert Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Walter Son Single M 17 1874 Mechanist Leeds, Yorkshire

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:07

1901 - Only Arthur, Lily and Albert at home

1901 census transcription details for: 3, Barton Grove, Holbeck

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4203
Folio: 9
Page: 10
Reg. District: Holbeck
Sub District: Holbeck
Parish: Holbeck
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: St Luke Beeston Hill
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Barton Grove, Holbeck
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BLACKSHAW, John Head Married M 52 1849 SlaterDarfield Barnsley, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Mary J Wife Married F 52 1849 Ireland Dublin
BLACKSHAW, Arthur Son Single M 18 1883 Boiler MakerHunslet Leeds, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Lily Daughter Single F 15 1886 Hunslet Leeds, Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Albert Son M 15 1886 Errand Boy Hunslet Leeds, Yorkshire

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:12

? Frederick 1911 - if it is him he has knocked a year or so off his age!
1911 census transcription details for: 16 Church Road Gatley Cheshire

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN21430 RG78PN1275 RD443 SD8 ED2 SN105
Reg. District: Stockport
Sub District: Cheadle
Parish: Stockport Etchells
Enum. District: 2
Address: 16 Church Road Gatley Cheshire
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLACKSHAW, Fred Head Married M 32 1879 Commercial Traveller Leeds Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Ellen Marian Wife Married10 years F 32 1879 Leeds Yorkshire
BLACKSHAW, Catherine Daughter F 7 1904 Leeds Yorkshire

2 children born, 1 has died, 1 living

possibility of a further child - May b 1917 Macclesfield, Cheshire

Which would go with this marriage

Name: BLACKSHAW, Fred
Registration district: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1900
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 767
MarriageFinder: Fred Blackshaw married one of the following people:

DOBSON, Ellen Marian <<<<<<<<<<
HOLMES, Louisa
HUNTER, John Rutterford T


EDIT - probably not him, a Fred Blackshaw shows as born 1878 Leeds and age 2 in Leeds on 1881 census

? Your Fred registered as Frederick Holbeck Jun Qtr 1873 9B 367. Shows b Holbeck in Hunslet RD 1881


John

John Report 30 Mar 2013 14:19

Hi Stuart,
Many thanks for that. I have seen this census result before. After that the remaining family appear in the 1901 Census. Of course I know that my Grandmother, Lily Blackshaw, married James Henry Annal but her twin, Albert I never knew anything about him. My grandmother died in 1965 when I was very young but I am sure Albert was gone before I was born (1957) as he was hardly ever mentioned and I only realised he was my grans twin through recent research! I suppose many people didn't complete their census forms and I am wondering if that's why the rest of the family don't show up?
Cheers, John

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:22

1911 census transcription details for: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27196 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED20 SN210
Reg. District: Holbeck
Sub District: Holbeck
Parish: Holbeck
Enum. District: 20
Address: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLACKSHAW, Arthur Head Married M 28 1883 Railway Goods Loader Hunslet Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Cathrine Winefred Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Tailoress Trousers Finisher
Wortley Leeds
BLACKSHAW, John Clifford Son M 7 1904 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Mother Widow F 62 1849 Nk

2 children born alive, 2 still living

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Blackshaw Arthur Hunslet 9b 525
LAMB William Thomas Hunslet 9b 525
Siron Catherine Hunslet 9b 525 <<<<<<<
SWINNERTON Clara Hunslet 9b 525

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:22

1911 census transcription details for: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27196 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED20 SN210
Reg. District: Holbeck
Sub District: Holbeck
Parish: Holbeck
Enum. District: 20
Address: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLACKSHAW, Arthur Head Married M 28 1883 Railway Goods Loader Hunslet Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Cathrine Winefred Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Tailoress Trousers Finisher
Wortley Leeds
BLACKSHAW, John Clifford Son M 7 1904 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Mother Widow F 62 1849 Nk

2 children born alive, 2 still living

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Blackshaw Arthur Hunslet 9b 525
LAMB William Thomas Hunslet 9b 525
Siron Catherine Hunslet 9b 525 <<<<<<<
SWINNERTON Clara Hunslet 9b 525

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:29

John
posting census gives the helpers points of reference from which to work, we don't know your family, so need as much information as possible to start us off.

A good website with free records of bmd's from Sep Qtr 1837 to approx 1950/60 - an on going project and not all yet transcribed up to date
http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 14:49

A Fred Blackshaw, Commercial TRaveller appears to have Attested (joined up) in 1915 aged 38 years and 196 days. He was then appointed to the Army Service Corps in 1917 and served some time in France
Living at Houldsworth Square, Redditch, Stockport at the time
NoK Ellen MArion Blackshaw wife, married 11.9.1900 Parish Church (?Brierley) Leeds. Daughter Catherine born 12.9.1903, Leeds
signatures 1911 and Attestation papers appear the same

EDIT - not correct Fred, see EDIT of post at 1412

Jacky

Jacky Report 30 Mar 2013 15:06

hi john
this looks like a possible good match for walter blackshaw,s birth only one i can find right area

Name: Walter Blackshaw
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 450 (click to see others on page)



and possible death for him


Name: Walter Blackshaw
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Holbeck
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 207 (click to see others on page)


i live in leeds & many of my old rellies lived in hunslet but often address came under the holbeck district
hope this helps

Flip

Flip Report 30 Mar 2013 15:10

To confirm they were twins, here is the christening - christened same day was Albert (same dob) and Arthur (dob 5 May, I think 1883)

Lily Blackshaw
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1885
Parish: Holbeck, St Luke
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1890
Father's Name: John Blackshaw (slater)
Mother's name: Mary Jane Blackshaw

Address 22 County Road

Jacky

Jacky Report 30 Mar 2013 15:23

have looked at possible deaths for albert also
i
looked at all the birth,s of albert blackshaw,s born about the right year as put on census although sometimes not correct

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
BLACKSHAW Albert Hanslet 9b 291

and this could be a possible death for him as the year of birt on this one is given 1884 its the only possible one that fits the right time frame but would need death cert to comfirm

Name: Albert Blackshaw
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Doncaster
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 974

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 15:24

See EDit to post 30th MArch 1412, will leave for elimination as well as Army record posted 1449

Flip

Flip Report 30 Mar 2013 15:24

Just in case the brothers can be found with sister and husband on later census - or going to join them:

Noah Bland (mechanic)
Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 24
Marriage or Bann Date: 18 May 1891
Parish: Hunslet Moor, St Peter
Father's Name: Joseph Bland (builder)
Spouse's Name: Emily Blackshaw
Spouse's Father's Name: John Blackshaw (slater)

Both of Addington Street, witnesses Tom Bland and Annie Wood.

Flip

Flip Report 30 Mar 2013 15:32

Sorry, but the marriage suggested for Fred is the wrong one - father is not John:

Fred Blackshaw
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Sep 1900
Parish: Burley, St Matthias
Father's Name: William Blackshaw <<< a joiner
Spouse's Name: Ellen Marian Dobson
Spouse's Father's Name: John Dobson

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 15:39

Have edited my posts re Fred, leaving for elimination

Jacky

Jacky Report 30 Mar 2013 15:46

sadly another possible death this time for


Name: Frederick Blackshaw
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Age at Death: 18
Registration district: Hunslet
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 167 (click to see others on page

think this is your frederick as no other possibles born right area for right birth frame but once again death cert would comfirm if right person i know he shows on the 1891 census but could have died after the census was taken

Stuart

Stuart Report 30 Mar 2013 15:52

?? Civil Registration event: Death

Name: BLACKSHAW, Arthur
Registration district: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1959
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 77
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 27


Catherine Winifred Blackshaw Dec Qtr 1972 b 5 April 1882
Leeds 2C 516

John

John Report 30 Mar 2013 17:04

Thanks Stuart, Flip, Jacky,
This helps loads. I reckon Fred is the one that sadly died aged 18 and Walter died aged 19. From what I can gather in the light of this new info, Arthurs two sons also died young. John Clifford Blackshaw died aged 45 and his brother died at only 7 years old. John C was possibly married. I vaguely recollect my grandmothers family having illness and tragedy somewhere in their past. How sad!
Thanks again guys I am very grateful for this :-)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Mar 2013 17:35

Oh I remember - Noah was the one who changed his name to Harry, wasn't he?
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1321761

(although connected, it was a query on a different branch)