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John,

I'm really sorry for my comments yesterday - there is no excuse - and I really hope I haven't put you off posting on the boards.

I'm not going to try to excuse my comments, but have spent a fair bit of time on other threads recently which have turned out to have already been investigated.

So, I'm sorry for my post which you didn't deserve.

Good luck with your research
Flip

Hi Flip and other researchers.
Firstly, my previous post which MarieCeleste brought to your attention was, as she says, regarding the BLAND branch of the family who moved to the USA (Thanks MC for looking out for me). In this post it's quite clear that I only asked about the BLACKSHAWS of Leeds.
Secondly, thanks again for your help and input but I have to correct Flip's last comment: This is actually only the second post I have ever placed on Genes R, so I am very new to this and have not actually 'had loads of help in the past' ... Do I think you just invent it? No I do not. What has actually upset you here Flip?
I actually don't know the rules of this game. Is help given freely and willingly or not? Are messages limited to one thread only? Perhaps I should have looked up how to use this before I tested it out.
Thanks to those who have helped me second time around but if some of you give it grudgingly and find it necessary to make that kind of comment then I'm out of here!
John :-0

Flip - there was hardly anything on that last thread about the Blackshaws, it was really all about the Blands and relatives in USA.

I only put on the link to stop anyone pursuing Emily and Noah.

Oh, thanks MC, don't you just love tracing over old threads and research. Why on earth don't posters just stick to one thread?

John, you have had loads of help in the past why duplicate research - do you think we just invent it?

Oh I remember - Noah was the one who changed his name to Harry, wasn't he?
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1321761

(although connected, it was a query on a different branch)

Thanks Stuart, Flip, Jacky,
This helps loads. I reckon Fred is the one that sadly died aged 18 and Walter died aged 19. From what I can gather in the light of this new info, Arthurs two sons also died young. John Clifford Blackshaw died aged 45 and his brother died at only 7 years old. John C was possibly married. I vaguely recollect my grandmothers family having illness and tragedy somewhere in their past. How sad!
Thanks again guys I am very grateful for this :-)

?? Civil Registration event: Death

Name: BLACKSHAW, Arthur
Registration district: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1959
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 77
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 27


Catherine Winifred Blackshaw Dec Qtr 1972 b 5 April 1882
Leeds 2C 516

sadly another possible death this time for


Name: Frederick Blackshaw
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Age at Death: 18
Registration district: Hunslet
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 167 (click to see others on page

think this is your frederick as no other possibles born right area for right birth frame but once again death cert would comfirm if right person i know he shows on the 1891 census but could have died after the census was taken

Have edited my posts re Fred, leaving for elimination

Sorry, but the marriage suggested for Fred is the wrong one - father is not John:

Fred Blackshaw
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Sep 1900
Parish: Burley, St Matthias
Father's Name: William Blackshaw <<< a joiner
Spouse's Name: Ellen Marian Dobson
Spouse's Father's Name: John Dobson

Just in case the brothers can be found with sister and husband on later census - or going to join them:

Noah Bland (mechanic)
Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 24
Marriage or Bann Date: 18 May 1891
Parish: Hunslet Moor, St Peter
Father's Name: Joseph Bland (builder)
Spouse's Name: Emily Blackshaw
Spouse's Father's Name: John Blackshaw (slater)

Both of Addington Street, witnesses Tom Bland and Annie Wood.

See EDit to post 30th MArch 1412, will leave for elimination as well as Army record posted 1449

have looked at possible deaths for albert also
i
looked at all the birth,s of albert blackshaw,s born about the right year as put on census although sometimes not correct

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
BLACKSHAW Albert Hanslet 9b 291

and this could be a possible death for him as the year of birt on this one is given 1884 its the only possible one that fits the right time frame but would need death cert to comfirm

Name: Albert Blackshaw
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Doncaster
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 974

To confirm they were twins, here is the christening - christened same day was Albert (same dob) and Arthur (dob 5 May, I think 1883)

Lily Blackshaw
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1885
Parish: Holbeck, St Luke
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1890
Father's Name: John Blackshaw (slater)
Mother's name: Mary Jane Blackshaw

Address 22 County Road

hi john
this looks like a possible good match for walter blackshaw,s birth only one i can find right area

Name: Walter Blackshaw
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1876
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 450 (click to see others on page)



and possible death for him


Name: Walter Blackshaw
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Holbeck
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 207 (click to see others on page)


i live in leeds & many of my old rellies lived in hunslet but often address came under the holbeck district
hope this helps

A Fred Blackshaw, Commercial TRaveller appears to have Attested (joined up) in 1915 aged 38 years and 196 days. He was then appointed to the Army Service Corps in 1917 and served some time in France
Living at Houldsworth Square, Redditch, Stockport at the time
NoK Ellen MArion Blackshaw wife, married 11.9.1900 Parish Church (?Brierley) Leeds. Daughter Catherine born 12.9.1903, Leeds
signatures 1911 and Attestation papers appear the same

EDIT - not correct Fred, see EDIT of post at 1412

John
posting census gives the helpers points of reference from which to work, we don't know your family, so need as much information as possible to start us off.

A good website with free records of bmd's from Sep Qtr 1837 to approx 1950/60 - an on going project and not all yet transcribed up to date
http://www.freebmd.org.uk

1911 census transcription details for: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27196 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED20 SN210
Reg. District: Holbeck
Sub District: Holbeck
Parish: Holbeck
Enum. District: 20
Address: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLACKSHAW, Arthur Head Married M 28 1883 Railway Goods Loader Hunslet Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Cathrine Winefred Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Tailoress Trousers Finisher
Wortley Leeds
BLACKSHAW, John Clifford Son M 7 1904 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Mother Widow F 62 1849 Nk

2 children born alive, 2 still living

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Blackshaw Arthur Hunslet 9b 525
LAMB William Thomas Hunslet 9b 525
Siron Catherine Hunslet 9b 525 <<<<<<<
SWINNERTON Clara Hunslet 9b 525

1911 census transcription details for: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN27196 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED20 SN210
Reg. District: Holbeck
Sub District: Holbeck
Parish: Holbeck
Enum. District: 20
Address: 17a Braithwaite St Holbeck Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLACKSHAW, Arthur Head Married M 28 1883 Railway Goods Loader Hunslet Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Cathrine Winefred Wife Married7 years F 28 1883 Tailoress Trousers Finisher
Wortley Leeds
BLACKSHAW, John Clifford Son M 7 1904 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Ernest Son M 1 1910 Holbeck Leeds
BLACKSHAW, Mary Jane Mother Widow F 62 1849 Nk

2 children born alive, 2 still living

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Blackshaw Arthur Hunslet 9b 525
LAMB William Thomas Hunslet 9b 525
Siron Catherine Hunslet 9b 525 <<<<<<<
SWINNERTON Clara Hunslet 9b 525

Hi Stuart,
Many thanks for that. I have seen this census result before. After that the remaining family appear in the 1901 Census. Of course I know that my Grandmother, Lily Blackshaw, married James Henry Annal but her twin, Albert I never knew anything about him. My grandmother died in 1965 when I was very young but I am sure Albert was gone before I was born (1957) as he was hardly ever mentioned and I only realised he was my grans twin through recent research! I suppose many people didn't complete their census forms and I am wondering if that's why the rest of the family don't show up?
Cheers, John