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John Wiles. born 1837. St Ives.

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Ethel

Ethel Report 31 Mar 2013 14:34

I am trying to find the above marriage which would be between 1871 and 1878.
Lived St Ives. Cornwall. to Mary Ann ????
Dau. Mary Ann. born c 1876
Daughter/ Honor J born 1880
who did John marry.????
Census records show her as born in St Ives.
grateful for any help. Ethel.

Ethel

Ethel Report 31 Mar 2013 14:35

Hi again. should have put name of husband. John Wiles. born 1837. St ives. Ethel.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 Mar 2013 14:37

Have you not found any possibles on FreeBMD ?

Or send for the birth cert of a child

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 Mar 2013 14:40

Have you looked at any spelt as WILLS or similar

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 Mar 2013 14:54

Unusual middle name

Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
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WILES Honor Jenkyn Penzance 5c 270

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 14:54

Hello Ethel, what makes you think the marriage may have been between those years? (If indeed there was one)

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2013 14:55

I can't find a marriage either. Perhaps they never actually married. Your best bet would be to buy the daughter's birth certificate (perhaps her middle name would be a clue?):-


Name: WILES, Honor Jenkyn
Registration district: Penzance
County: Cornwall
Year of registration: 1880
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 5C
Page no: 270

Kath. x

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 14:56

Honor's baptism from Cornwall OPC

Day Month 08-Dec
Year 1880
Parish Or Reg District Ives, St.
Forename Honor Jenkyn
Surname WILES
Sex
Father Forename John
Mother Forename Mary Ann
Residence St. Ives
Father Rank Profession Fisher
Notes
Transcriber Notes 06 May 1880
Transcriber Bill Curnow

Guess the notes refers to her birthdate.

No parent's marriage found.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 15:01

Posting 1881 for reference (love the street name!)

WILES, John Head Married M 44 1837 Fisherman St Ives, Cornwall
WILES, Mary Ann Wife Married F 33 1848 Fishermans Wife St Ives, Cornwall
WILES, Mary A Daughter Single F 4 1877 St Ives, Cornwall
WILES, Honor J Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Ives, Cornwall
WILES, Mary Sister Single F 48 1833 Fishermans Sister Blind St Ives, Cornwall

Piece: 2342 Folio: 45 Page: 21
Registration District: Penzance
Civil Parish: St Ives

Address: Salubrious Place, St Ives County: Cornwall

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2013 15:05

Sounds like the "posh" end of town!!

Kath. x

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 Mar 2013 15:06

Strange that John has a middle initial on 1871 census which is not helping at all

Sisters Mary and Nancy also have "B" as middle initial

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 15:09

Wonder if middle name is mother's maiden name - as per her sister in 1871:

WILES, Nancy Head F 65 1806 Cornwall widow - netster
WILES, Mary Daughter F 38 1833 Cornwall - blind
WILES, John B Son M 34 1837 Cornwall - fisherman
BRYANT, Eleanor Sister F 50 1821 Cornwall - washerwoman

All born St Ives

Piece: 2334 Folio: 32 Page: 16
Registration District: Penzance
Civil Parish: St Ives
Municipal Borough: St Ives
Address: Digey, St Ives County: Cornwall

Ethel

Ethel Report 31 Mar 2013 15:12

Many thanks for all your replies.I have John and Mary Ann on all the census records, and on 1871 John is single and living with with Mother Nancy. By 1881 he has two children. Ethel

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 15:13

Wondering about this Mary Ann in 1871 ...

JENKYN, Cotton Head M 26 1845 Cornwall - Carpenter. b Cranstock
JENKYN, Mary A Wife F 23 1848 Cornwall

Piece: 2256 Folio: 23 Page: 37
Registration District: St Columb
Major Civil Parish: St Columb, Minor

Address: New Quay, St Columb, Minor County: Cornwall

Can't decipher Mary A's birthplace, looks like Penanzabulic ??

Can't find them in 1881

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2013 15:18

I wonder if this is the death of Cotton Jenkyn/Jenkin (in which case that could be the reason for not finding a marriage for John and Mary Ann if she was still married to Cotton):-


Name: JENKIN, Cotton
Registration district: St. Columb
County: Cornwall
Year of registration: 1924
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 79
Volume no: 5C
Page no: 116

Kath. x

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 15:20

Looks like we can rule them out - 1881:

JENKIN, Cotton Head Married M 35 1846 Carpenter Crantock, Cornwall
JENKIN, Mary A Wife Married F 33 1848 Perranzabuloe, Cornwall
JENKIN, Clara Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Newquay, Cornwall
JENKIN, Harry Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Newquay, Cornwall
JENKIN, Ellen Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar Newquay, Cornwall

Piece: 2296 Folio: 106 Page: 15
Registration District: St Columb
Civil Parish: St Columb Minor

Address: ?, St Columb Minor County: Cornwall

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 Mar 2013 15:21

Oh bother Cotton and Mary are on 1881 census

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2013 15:22

Think the birthplace for Mary Ann on the 1871 census is Perranzabuloe.

EDIT - looks like the wrong family - shame!!

Kath. x

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 15:31

When his parents married his father's surname was given as Wilds

Day Month 22-Mar
Year 1829
Parish Or Reg District Ives, St.

Groom Fn William
Groom Sn WILDS
Groom Age
Groom Residence otp
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession

Bride Fn Nancy
Bride Sn BRYANT
Bride Age
Bride Residence otp
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) Banns

Witness Fn1 George
Witness Sn1 BRYANT
Witness Fn2 Thomas
Witness Sn2 WILLIAMS

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 15:32

John was also baptised as Wilds:

Day Month 31-Jan Year 1836
Parish Or Reg District Ives, St.

Forename John
Surname WILDS
Sex son
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Nancy
Residence St Ives
Father Rank Profession shoemaker